She has been the anti-bumble since bumble's bumbling high school years, but what do you all think?

painful-to-read crap

The writing itself is often quite tedious, but I think much of her ideology makes perfect sense.

NOT CRAP. High waffle factor for influencing Rush, one of the worst bands ever.

Not a good writer, and her philosophical viewpoint pisses me off.

CRAP.

selfish crap. fun-less crap. prideful crap.

placeholder wrote:The writing itself is often quite tedious, but I think much of her ideology makes perfect sense.

Hey placeholder! What do you dig in Ayn Rand?

Everybody else: what part(s) of her ideology do you not care for?

No free for all or throwdown, citizens! Aww, who the hell am I talking to?

bumble wrote:Hey placeholder! What do you dig in Ayn Rand?

The idea of rational self-interest makes perfect sense to me. I may be misunderstanding it, but it stands to reason that no one will do anything without it benefitting them in some way. I certainly live my life that way, though I don't consider myself an Objectivist by any stretch. I don't believe in altruism, nor do I believe that truly selfless acts exist. Though I don't have any sort of pride or self esteem, I still live my life exclusively according to my own self-interest, as I believe everyone does.

I haven't read any Rand in a long, long time, so I may be getting things confused, but that's what I like. I feel like a complete heel now, being in the minority on this topic...

placeholder wrote:it stands to reason that no one will do anything without it benefitting them in some way.

There is no act on earth that does not benefit everything in some way or another.


-Noah

I have never read Ayn Rand, but I've read a number of things about her infamous philosophy. Sounds like a load of egotistical crap to me. I've always preferred conscientiousness to self-satisfaction.

Yes, rational self-interest "makes sense." Just look at the title. But so ugly!

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bumble wrote:Hey placeholder! What do you dig in Ayn Rand?

The idea of rational self-interest makes perfect sense to me. I may be misunderstanding it, but it stands to reason that no one will do anything without it benefitting them in some way. I certainly live my life that way, though I don't consider myself an Objectivist by any stretch. I don't believe in altruism, nor do I believe that truly selfless acts exist. Though I don't have any sort of pride or self esteem, I still live my life exclusively according to my own self-interest, as I believe everyone does.

I haven't read any Rand in a long, long time, so I may be getting things confused, but that's what I like. I feel like a complete heel now, being in the minority on this topic...

the thing i dislike about her, aside from her terrible writing, is that she takes a few self-evident truths (the ones you discuss) and pushes them to ridiculous extremes, promoting industrialism and capitalist expansion at the marked exclusion of any kind of collective conscience.

i totally understand why people are taken by aspects of her 'philosophy.' she's pro-selfdetermination, anti-religion, etc., etc.

but as a whole, her ideas seem ill-thought-out and vague. i think she foisted them on people thru novels b/c they don't hold water as a philosophical construct. she railed against philosophy and philosophers, only to provide a quarter-baked version of a philosophy in her own work.

i have to confess i could never choke down an entire book. i read up on her after my attempts, however, to see what all the blab was about.