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11I thought the "godfather of grunge" appellation was invented as PR for "Keep On Rockin' In A Free World."
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12Neil Young had a Kurt Cobain tribute song and took Sonic Youth on tour, and used Pearl Jam as a backing band, I think that's Grunge enough for anyone. Also, not many people know this, but he invented flannel.
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13Danger Bird is grunge as fuck. He's covered a lot genre wise over the decades, obviously, but the feedback laden, chugging, slogging, Crazy Horse shit with the wild solos that sound like everything is melting down around them...that's some of my favorite music ever recorded. And I'd say the precursor to grunge label is totally appropriate.
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14Hole played a similar move on the debut, if memory serves (can't recall the exact riff). And Dinosaur were covering a Neil song live at the time also ('Like a Hurricane', maybe? Or was it 'Cortez'?)seby wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:29 am You know that the intro to Mudhoney's "Broken Hands" is the Outro to Neil Young and Crazy Horse's "Cinnamon Girl", right?
Point is, it was v. hip to reference Mr Young at that time in that early grunge / proto-grunge scene.
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15I could see Young described as a godfather of grunge if not the godfather of grunge. But he never actually made grunge music, and in terms of importance, he ranks below Sabbath, later Black Flag, Blue Cheer, and Big Black. And maybe the Butthole Surfers too.
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16I have always loved this little connector. Thanks for bringing this up.seby wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:29 am FWIW Mudhoney always cited The Stooges, Blue Cheer, and early Neil Young as big influences - along with The Scientists. When I listen to Mudhoney this is what I hear.
You know that the intro to Mudhoney's "Broken Hands" is the Outro to Neil Young and Crazy Horse's "Cinnamon Girl", right? Let alone that they sound like the very same band. The homage is brazen, open worship on Mudhoney's part:
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17It's not his fault, but Pearl Jam has covered Neil Young a lot. I think he appealed more to that grunge paradigm. Dinosaur Jr. clearly bore his influence, but I've never considered them grunge (maybe the later Mascis-only records).
I'd rather be throwing darts.
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18Funny little aside: I admittedly haven't listened to Mudhoney a whole lot, but feel I know what their general sound is and could recognize if a song was recorded by them. My friend who seemed to be into most of Kurt Cobain's favorite bands once put on the 1985 self-titled feedtime album and I immediately thought with 100% conviction it was Mudhoney.seby wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:29 am FWIW Mudhoney always cited The Stooges, Blue Cheer, and early Neil Young as big influences - along with The Scientists.
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19I spent a while covering what I believe "emo" pretty much applies to here:losthighway wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:46 am Lord, emo. I'm on this 90s hardcore/punk/emo Facebook group where people share cool records and nostalgia. Once in a while someone gets on a high horse about "real emo" and I always bristle. If Rites of Spring, Angel Hair and Christie Front Drive are all emo then wtf is emo anyway? Weezer isn't really emo but emo isn't really real.
Again, not on any high horse, just bringing up my perspective. It's all gravy really.
I actually think some of this is kinda funny. Seeing as I was in a scene band in NJ in 2004-05. The height of the MySpace/Purevolume wave.
The term "emo" kind of splits into about 3 distinct different sub-genres rather quickly...
1. acoustic,
2. post-hardcore/aggressive/screamo,,, and then
3. Pop/Rock I guess.
A lot of confusion around hardcore/punk vs. post-hardcore of the emo variety. Because a lot of bands mix a variety of styles but were active during the 2001-07 wave.
I dunno seems like in these genre histories, the authors desperately want the history to be long and illustrious and fit into a certain mold, even if that's not completely accurate. Like writing an essay or something where you have to hit on various different points, make sure everyone gets mentioned (regardless if they're even really involved).
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20Straight talk?indiegrab_360 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:15 pmI spent a while covering what I believe "emo" pretty much applies to here:losthighway wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:46 am Lord, emo. I'm on this 90s hardcore/punk/emo Facebook group where people share cool records and nostalgia. Once in a while someone gets on a high horse about "real emo" and I always bristle. If Rites of Spring, Angel Hair and Christie Front Drive are all emo then wtf is emo anyway? Weezer isn't really emo but emo isn't really real.
Again, not on any high horse, just bringing up my perspective. It's all gravy really.
I actually think some of this is kinda funny. Seeing as I was in a scene band in NJ in 2004-05. The height of the MySpace/Purevolume wave.
The term "emo" kind of splits into about 3 distinct different sub-genres rather quickly...
1. acoustic,
2. post-hardcore/aggressive/screamo,,, and then
3. Pop/Rock I guess.
A lot of confusion around hardcore/punk vs. post-hardcore of the emo variety. Because a lot of bands mix a variety of styles but were active during the 2001-07 wave.
I dunno seems like in these genre histories, the authors desperately want the history to be long and illustrious and fit into a certain mold, even if that's not completely accurate. Like writing an essay or something where you have to hit on various different points, make sure everyone gets mentioned (regardless if they're even really involved).
You dropped the ball right around the time where you said "I don't much about Jawbreaker..."
Any attempt to school folks when you just said "I don't know much about Jawbreaker..."?
It's right on the verge of face planting.