chexmixbreath wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:06 pm

seby wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:29 am FWIW Mudhoney always cited The Stooges, Blue Cheer, and early Neil Young as big influences - along with The Scientists.

Funny little aside: I admittedly haven't listened to Mudhoney a whole lot, but feel I know what their general sound is and could recognize if a song was recorded by them. My friend who seemed to be into most of Kurt Cobain's favorite bands once put on the 1985 self-titled feedtime album and I immediately thought with 100% conviction it was Mudhoney.

For reals! Mudhoney would speak highly of Feedtime regularly back in the day : )

numberthirty wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:50 pm

indiegrab_360 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:15 pm I spent a while covering what I believe "emo" pretty much applies to here:

Straight talk?

You dropped the ball right around the time where you said "I don't much about Jawbreaker..."

Any attempt to school folks when you just said "I don't know much about Jawbreaker..."?

It's right on the verge of face planting.

Man...

I'm not even trying to be all that mean about that.

Cap'n Jazz? I could see that.

(Even if some folks from the MKI PRF would give someone grief about it...)

Jawbreaker?

I can just barely fathom talking about the stretch of time in question without knowing about Jawbreaker.

It's not like they are Quicksand, where Quicksand lives a couple of streets over.

Jawbreaker is literally smack dab in the middle of this.

Anything even remotely "Emo..." after Embrace?

It's hard to imagine not bumping into Jawbreaker while finding out about it.

Grunge?

Jawbreaker opened some of that final Nirvana live run.

Again, not trying to be a jerk. It's just a really wild thing to have mostly missed out on.

Never mind the fact that "Condition Oakland..." is literally like someone tossed "Emotion..." and "Hardcore Music..." into a blender, and turned the thing on.

numberthirty wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:50 pm

Straight talk?

You dropped the ball right around the time where you said "I don't much about Jawbreaker..."

Any attempt to school folks when you just said "I don't know much about Jawbreaker..."?

It's right on the verge of face planting.

TO keep myself relatively calm, I didn't watch posted video. If you don't know much about Jawbreaker, then you don't no anything about 90's "emo", a second wave of a Hardcore mutation, that embrace more pop styled songwriting. The best of that music really came out of the East Bay, J Church and Jawbreaker being the ultimate.

But, seriously, the concept of this thread is kinda BS. As are "Genre" as opposed to "style" of music. Neil's styles have influenced so many musicians it's unbelievable.
The music press was calling him the GODFATHER/CREATOR of "Grunge" from day 1.

Snarky aside, but, how is Big Black an influence on grunge? Because FM Steve recorded In Utero?

numberthirty wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:19 pm Never mind the fact that "Condition Oakland..." is literally like someone tossed "Emotion..." and "Hardcore Music..." into a blender, and turned the thing on.

FUCK YES!!!

PASTA wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:43 pm

numberthirty wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:50 pm

Straight talk?

You dropped the ball right around the time where you said "I don't much about Jawbreaker..."

Any attempt to school folks when you just said "I don't know much about Jawbreaker..."?

It's right on the verge of face planting.

TO keep myself relatively calm, I didn't watch posted video. If you don't know much about Jawbreaker, then you don't no anything about 90's "emo", a second wave of a Hardcore mutation, that embrace more pop styled songwriting. The best of that music really came out of the East Bay, J Church and Jawbreaker being the ultimate.

But, seriously, the concept of this thread is kinda BS. As are "Genre" as opposed to "style" of music. Neil's styles have influenced so many musicians it's unbelievable.
The music press was calling him the GODFATHER/CREATOR of "Grunge" from day 1.

Snarky aside, but, how is Big Black an influence on grunge? Because FM Steve recorded In Utero?

Personally?

My own grumble is that "Grunge..." was always just some "Kurt Loder..." bull anyway.

Literally just "Industry..." invention to group some things that really had very little to do with each other together because they never gave the kids credit for actually having anything like a clue.

Sunny Day Real Estate/Unbroken/ Jawbreaker/My Chemical Romance?

There was way more common ground there than there ever was between two bands like Mudhoney and Pearl Jam.

The four bands in question? They are actually speaking something like the same language.

Mudhoney and Pearl Jam?

Come on with that nonsense.

numberthirty wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:50 pm
Mudhoney and Pearl Jam?

Come on with that nonsense.

PREACH!

Again J Church

I’m a broken record with this, but “grunge” existed as a term (and was even ridiculed) well before Pearl Jam. Mudhoney, Green River, Bleach-era Nirvana, Screaming Life-era Soundgarden, Tad, Dickless, Skin Yard, and Blood Circus all shared sonic qualities, even though the bands sounded different. (Jack Endino is probably to blame/credit.) The term never made sense for bands like Pearl Jam, but if it doesn’t make sense for “Touch Me (I’m Sick)” or “Behemoth,” then your ears don’t work right. “Grunge” is a perfectly apt term.

And yes, definitely Big Black, most obviously with regard to Tad.

Wood Goblin wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:08 pm
And yes, definitely Big Black, most obviously with regard to Tad.

Okay, THIS, and some of the early Boise/Spokane shit I can see