Kniferide wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:29 pm

numberthirty wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:47 pm Ok...

Here's an old "Cuemix..." video.



Any of that ring any kind of a bell?

Cuemix will be the least latent way to make monitor mixes for sure. MOnitoring through a DAW will always have more latency (unless you are using a Protools HDX system or buffers so low that you don't notice.)

I've always hated Cuemix and the browser mixer for MOTU monitor mixing, hate looking to another screen to fiddle with this stuff. What I do is loop the inputs of my MOTU 16a (is done in the control matrix) thru to the line outputs of the 16a and those feed the line inputs of my little console. This way I use the analog aux of the console to feed a 4 ch. headphone amp and can make what ever mixes I want. Their is like 1ms of latency or less looping in to out internally in the 16a so there is functionally zero latency and I dont have to fiddle with another app screen. Not sure if you can do this with a 828 but if you have a little mixer lying around, It works for me.

This also allows me to use the faders on the console to mix what I hear in the control room. I choose the console main out on my monitor controller and then the main buss of my mixer feeds my monitors. in this mode the DAW outs feed a stereo channel on the console so playback comes into the console and can be feed to the headphone mixes for punches and over dubs etc. Also gives be Talk back to headphones which is handy AF. Little mixers go a long way and I'll never stop suggesting them.

I’m glad you wrote that because that is basically how I am handling playback with a Ferrofish 16/RME and a Midas board. There is a lot more info on how to use the horrible computer interface mixer than there is to get a setup like this going, so every bit helps.

yard barf wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:55 pm Thanks for all the help, guys. I appreciate it. I'm pretty sure the cuemix part of my old MOTU is just shot. The whole front panel doesn't light up anymore or respond in any way. I will keep your ideas in mind when this old MOTU gives up the ghost and I have to buy something new.

Since that is the case?

Reaper. Seriously.

You can probably make what you asked about work in Reaper if the interface is on it's last legs.

numberthirty wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:33 pm

yard barf wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:55 pm Thanks for all the help, guys. I appreciate it. I'm pretty sure the cuemix part of my old MOTU is just shot. The whole front panel doesn't light up anymore or respond in any way. I will keep your ideas in mind when this old MOTU gives up the ghost and I have to buy something new.

Since that is the case?

Reaper. Seriously.

You can probably make what you asked about work in Reaper if the interface is on it's last legs.

I gotta admit, that seems easy and just what I want.

When I play my Gretsch G5230T, the little finger of my pick hand kind of rests on the pickguard, and if I'm playing fast, this seems to creates static-y noises through the pickups. Do I need to ground my pickguard? Insulate it from the pick-ups? Or just put on my big boy trousers and not worry the crackling? It's NOT a percussive sound - it's not my hand hitting the surface, it's more a crackle if the surface is rubbed - and the p/ups aren't noticeably microphonic. It's more of a kind of "bad connection" crackle, and if I make sure nothing is touching the pickguard, it goes away.

numberthirty wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:33 pm Reaper. Seriously.

I'm just starting my Reaper journey after being forced off a platform I used for 20 years. So far any functionality I can think of is a quick search away. Now we'll see how long it takes me to get efficient on it. I'd give it an A+ for functionality and a B- for being intuitive, but that's probably how any software feels to someone making a change.

losthighway wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:43 am

numberthirty wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:33 pm Reaper. Seriously.

I'm just starting my Reaper journey after being forced off a platform I used for 20 years. So far any functionality I can think of is a quick search away. Now we'll see how long it takes me to get efficient on it. I'd give it an A+ for functionality and a B- for being intuitive, but that's probably how any software feels to someone making a change.

google search is your friend, also those videos by these guys are very good and get you in pretty deep

https://www.youtube.com/@REAPERMania

https://www.youtube.com/@HopPoleStudios

yard barf wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:22 am I gotta admit, that seems easy and just what I want.

While I'm not a hundred percent on that it would get you out of the particular spot that it sounds like you are attempting to contend with?

I would not be all that surprised if you could put Reaper on the "Pro Tools..." computer that you mentioned, and record with it while mixing with your existing Pro Tools setup.

Now, all that said?

Reaper is probably worth taking a look at if you want something that can be "Straight Up Blockhead..." basic or particularly involved depending on how a given user would like to operate.

Also totally worth mentioning that the forum on the Reaper website is a keeper and also has a "Mac..." specific sub-forum.

Now, past all of that carrying on?

The demo version of Reaper is fully functional.

You could totally try it out. I could most likely walk you through trying to do what you started out with, and you wouldn't really have to put any dough into the attempt.

(Well, as long as you've got a way to connect to and power the headphones in question...)

Dudley wrote: Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:38 am When I play my Gretsch G5230T, the little finger of my pick hand kind of rests on the pickguard, and if I'm playing fast, this seems to creates static-y noises through the pickups. Do I need to ground my pickguard? Insulate it from the pick-ups? Or just put on my big boy trousers and not worry the crackling? It's NOT a percussive sound - it's not my hand hitting the surface, it's more a crackle if the surface is rubbed - and the p/ups aren't noticeably microphonic. It's more of a kind of "bad connection" crackle, and if I make sure nothing is touching the pickguard, it goes away.

How is the pickguard mounted?

Any chance that it is made out of something that could be conductive?

Maybe its time for another Reaper thread? Two more questions:

Anyone familiar with an app that I can use to view a laptop window on my phone? Example - I am recording myself with a guitar in my hand and the laptop / preamp meters arent in line of sight. Surely there’s some sort of way to view what’s happening on my Thinkpad on my iphone? Just being able to check the peaks would be enough

Second question:

For recording with an analog mixer to Reaper - then monitoring from the board - while phase adjustments are made in the DAW, the computer faders stay at zero/panned right down the middle before going out to the board and monitors where adjustments are made/ outboard gear is added etc.

Lets say for the hell of it you record guitar w/ a few mics Then you record a rhythm part with another few mics, and then bass, then acoustic - how are you staying organized? Are you combining tracks together in Reaper or leaving them separate? Or do you just monitor something like the close mic on each source for recording and playback, leaving the auxiliary tracks for each source quiet until you’re ready to get a rough mix going?

I won’t likely use up the 32 channels on the board that fast, but when some are being used as preamps, others as playback and with limited convertor I/O it all adds up to a lot going on.

I imagine a lot of it is just down to a workflow that gets established with experienxe, but I’m interested in your thoughts.