1. the downward spiral is not a great album, by any means. and trent reznor is probably the most overrated musical artist of the 90's. but i did lots of shrooms and acid to that album in college so i have a soft spot in my psyche for it.

2. sublime is not a great band. but there are few things lamer than dismissing a band based solely on their audience. that would be like dismissing shellac, big black and rapeman just because their core audience are a bunch of white thritysomethings that are desperately clinging to some twisted sense of coolness they felt in high school. instead, these people should be dismissing all of the above bands solely because they suck musically.

Give us a kiss, cervix.

Sublime: frat boy crap.

Shellac: intelligent college rock that is not crap.

Jeez, why would my tastes be like this? We are on the Electrical Audio board, after all.

Sorry to offend fans, but Sublime need to be cut down any chance they get. They are disgustingly overrated and someone needs to tell the truth.

Frat boys put Sublime on a worship pedestal the way drugged-out hippies put the Grateful Dead on a worship pedestal. It's just that simple.

Bradley Noel is given a Kurt Cobain level of worship by some. Sorry, but he really was not all that talented. People just like the "style," that's all. Anybody can like a band for a "style" and then ignore bland, generic songwriting that sounds better under the influence, I'm sure.

It was Sublime vs. Shellac in my dorm. Guess who was playing what?

ReubenRemus wrote:Sublime: frat boy crap.

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Bradley Noel is given a Kurt Cobain level of worship by some. Sorry, but he really was not all that talented. People just like the "style," that's all. Anybody can like a band for a "style" and then ignore bland, generic songwriting that sounds better under the influence, I'm sure.

I guess seeing people like them for the 'style' allows you to hate them for the 'style' too? Blindly trouncing is even worse than arrogantly trumpeting.

The drums and bass were kitschy at times, but they were precisely so. And certainly as an instrumentalist the drummer never lacked in talent. The band set up a perfect backdrop for the singer's vocals, which made the song. Every song. His songs never had a hint of pretention to me, which is way more than I can say about almost any other band I listen to or have seen discussed on this forum. This singer was just a natural talent and his songs showed very little premeditation, just strumming and singing. The band was rough because of this, but it also made for a more immediate listening experience. Bland, generic songwriting? Hardly. Check your melody.

I would sadly anticipate that if I were to hear anything other than the radio hits, I would enjoy some kind of teenage nostalgia from when I used to listen to this band. I once owned all three studio albums.

Now, however, I vote crap, with that nostalgic waffle factor (I really wouldn't feel bad about hearing "I Got Red" again).

Like Tommy Stinson's (post-Replacements) band called "Perfect", this band "Sublime" didn't really live up to their name.

I don't mind Sublime. They were decent, and probably could have gotten even better if the singer hadn't OD'ed... part of their appeal to me, of course, is that I'm a Los Angeles kid, and they really did sound pretty much exactly like Los Angeles during the time when they were active. A bit of this, a bit of that.

So, not crap.

But.

Sublime fans?

Some of the most hideous, obnoxious people on earth.

I know a lot of people who hate Sublime because of their fans; hell, I almost do. Who wants to cop to liking 'em if you have to stand next to a bunch of smelly potheads and idiot frattards?

um, sublime lifted the vocal melody for "what i got" from the vocal melody for "lady madonna" by the beatles.

that's crap.

the fact they didn't get called on it, is more crap.

the fact the +90% of their fans don't know is crap.

sublime is crap. regardless of "reggae sense," talent, style, whatever, it's still swill. watery, boring, annoying crap.

and the singer od'd before anyone could make any money off it. leaving behind a child. being a parent and a junkie is crap.

"there's more to music than just letting it hit your ears," i've been told.

even at face value, letting the music hit my ears is something i'd rather not do. to dissect all the circumstances and situations behind this shitty, shitty band only emphasizes the point that this band is emphatically crap.

you can argue about the style, about the talent, whatever, if we were doing that then almost no band would be crap. there'd be something redeeming in destiny's child, or britney spears. but there isn't.

the cover art's bad, the music's bad, the playing while not bad, playing isn't what makes music good. nor is it style or talent, it's a combination of things, and within this combination i find nothing of note of this band sublime.

let's forget them.

crappy high school rock. But its not just the band itself that gets my crap vote, but for all the shitty bands that were in the vien of sublime. Like Pepper, Slightly Stoopid, Short Bus, No Doubt. Thats alot of crap to be chalked up to one band. Also, their "breakthough" album was almost half covers.