penningtron wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:38 am Pretty much a setup band for the kind of hard rock/metal that I hate.

I don't feel strongly about Deep Purple themselves either way, but yeah, this.

Bernardo wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:32 am

penningtron wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:38 am Pretty much a setup band for the kind of hard rock/metal that I hate.

I don't feel strongly about Deep Purple themselves either way, but yeah, this.

What heavy bands did they specifically influence that weren't also equally or more influenced by Zeppelin and Sabbath? Already mentioned, but they've kind of lost their cultural cache over the years for whatever reason.

zorg wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:58 am

Bernardo wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:32 am

penningtron wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:38 am Pretty much a setup band for the kind of hard rock/metal that I hate.

I don't feel strongly about Deep Purple themselves either way, but yeah, this.

What heavy bands did they specifically influence that weren't also equally or more influenced by Zeppelin and Sabbath? Already mentioned, but they've kind of lost their cultural cache over the years for whatever reason.

A lot of the shrieking banshee NWOBHM stuff, or later '70s/'80s hard rock in general. Plant's voice and post-Ozzy Sabbath were a template for that too, but DP were almost a fully formed version of that in 1972. Replaced a lot of the swagger rock feel from the '60s with straighter thud thud rhythms, and turned vocals into a "who can sing in the highest vibrato" contest. Blackmore is good I'm sure, but kind of indistinctive in a way a lot of later guitarists are. So yes, influential, but often not in a good way.

Hot takes:

1. Watch the live version of Mandrake Root from 1970. I'll put that up against anything off of Song Remains The Same.
2. Blackmore > Page. Not saying Page is an untalented hack by any stretch, but for precision and playing outside of the pentatonic blueshammer box, Ritchie's got the upper hand.

Sabbath and Zeppelin were also a big part, but DP and Motorhead were really the most direct antecedents to speed/thrash metal. Blackmore was definitely the seminal speed metal guitarist.

Krev wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:30 am Sabbath and Zeppelin were also a big part, but DP and Motorhead were really the most direct antecedents to speed/thrash metal. Blackmore was definitely the seminal speed metal guitarist.

Yes, 100%, though Richie always had a more musically varied approach as he'd built up to that speed while finding his voice on the instrument - you can track his development through MK1 - MK2 eras of DP - many of the later guys started w/ speed and developed a more limited guit-volcab as a result (see Hetfield, J.).

Also a big influence on 80's shredders (Malmsteen worships at the altar of RB), big foundation in that neo-classical style that E.V.H and St Rhoads would expand upon later. His solos put a premium on technique over feel, an unusually white vibe for the time when many other Brit guitarists were mining the blues-riffs-meets-amplification equation or retreating into trad / 'educated' music theory via prog.

M.F.er was the Paganini of his day.

kicker_of_elves wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:45 am 2. Blackmore > Page. Not saying Page is an untalented hack by any stretch, but for precision and playing outside of the pentatonic blueshammer box, Ritchie's got the upper hand.

Yep.

Plant had neat arranging ideas and was a superb producer, but Blackmore live was a beast.

I totally understand people disliking the organ stuff, the shrieking... but listen to things like highway star (Made in Japan version); c'mon, that's fire.

So this is interesting.

Listening to S/T, Fireball and Burn the other day, the earlier parts are actually good, and you can hear how it starts to progressively go wrong. Even so, there are good compositions, good drumming, good voice when he's not going aiiiyyaaaah, good organ. If I could cut out all the parts I like, that would be cool.

S/T and Fireball though, that's good stuff. No complaints.

not crap, cmon
Pictures of Home is prolly my fav tune, i was happy to see them play it live (around 10 years ago?)

ian paice is a monster

(someone else may have posted this one before)

In Rock rules.