hogrot wrote:Okay, obviousloy crap.

But I kind of came to the conclusion that I would try it if I ever get diagnosed with a terminal illness. I can kind of understand it at that point. I like drugs and I've always been curious about it, but I've seen what it does to people and I'm not dumb enough to try it because I'm not strong enough to manage something that potent. I don't think responsible heroin users exist. Maybe 1 out of 1000 people can actually manage it, but you're walking a line so fine it might as well not exist. But if I ever get diagnosed with a terminal disease...

I've heard this a hundred times from a hundred different morons, and I'm guessing you heard one such moron suggest it, probably while you were both stoned into the universal stupidity of novelty appreciation, and thought it was cute/funny/smart.

Which makes you a moron.

todd_v wrote:The last few I've lost I've been surprised at just how numb I've become. I don't feel much emotion for those people anymore.
I know that sounds cold but if people are going to do that drug i have distance myself emotionally from them.

True. Whether or not they accept the possibility of thier death at the hands of that shit, you have to if you want to continue contact with them. Not fair to you really. Better to cut off the friendship, maybe they'll see how serious it is and you won't have to watch them go down. Not that I've managed to do that, mind you.

BClark wrote:but i think there are also psychological issues with people who say stuff like this:

glynnisjohns wrote:Junkies are a scourge i cannot tolerate at all.

i dont.

Cigarettes are more addictive.

BadComrade wrote:

JamLifeIntoDeath wrote:

hogrot wrote:Okay, obviousloy crap.

But I kind of came to the conclusion that I would try it if I ever get diagnosed with a terminal illness. I can kind of understand it at that point. I like drugs and I've always been curious about it, but I've seen what it does to people and I'm not dumb enough to try it because I'm not strong enough to manage something that potent. I don't think responsible heroin users exist. Maybe 1 out of 1000 people can actually manage it, but you're walking a line so fine it might as well not exist. But if I ever get diagnosed with a terminal disease...

I've heard this a hundred times from a hundred different morons, and I'm guessing you heard one such moron suggest it, probably while you were both stoned into the universal stupidity of novelty appreciation, and thought it was cute/funny/smart.

Which makes you a moron.

... said the guy who jumped off a 3rd floor balcony in to a pile of snow.

YES! YES! YES! YES!

I was happy!! It was fun!!

copower wrote:

BClark wrote:but i think there are also psychological issues with people who say stuff like this:

glynnisjohns wrote:Junkies are a scourge i cannot tolerate at all.

i dont.

really? in my opinion, for someone to be all wrapped up in disgust for someone elses problems is an indicator of cognitive dissonance on a very fundamental level.

theres 2 types of non-junkies in the world, and no more:

the type that says "that is one of the saddest things i have ever seen. i wonder if there is any hope for someone in such a fucked predicament."

and the type that says

glynnisjohns wrote:Junkies are a scourge i cannot tolerate at all.

the first type can get complicated because any of them who are naive enough can be duped into becoming enablers. but thats just part of this shitstorm. i myself identify with the first type. the second type is simply fucked up because theyre the ones most likely to become cops or republicans.

what im saying is, just because enablers are both compassionate and naive, doesnt mean that being non-compassionate makes you non-naive. being non-compassionate just makes you an asshole.

in a way, its the easy way out to say "junkies are a scourge i cannot tolerate at all." that is the sign of someone who has never seen a friend become addicted. that is the sign of someone who has never had to deal with addicts on a personal level. lucky you, asshole. that is the sign of someone who thinks that he is a guru of understanding pleasure/pain, addiction/discipline, strength/weakness, when in reality he has no idea just how much learning he has ahead of him.

if i had complete security, i'd entertain the notion.

still crap though.

BClark wrote:

copower wrote:

BClark wrote:but i think there are also psychological issues with people who say stuff like this:

glynnisjohns wrote:Junkies are a scourge i cannot tolerate at all.

i dont.

really? in my opinion, for someone to be all wrapped up in disgust for someone elses problems is an indicator of cognitive dissonance on a very fundamental level.

theres 2 types of non-junkies in the world, and no more:

the type that says "that is one of the saddest things i have ever seen. i wonder if there is any hope for someone in such a fucked predicament."

and the type that says

glynnisjohns wrote:Junkies are a scourge i cannot tolerate at all.

the first type can get complicated because any of them who are naive enough can be duped into becoming enablers. but thats just part of this shitstorm. i myself identify with the first type. the second type is simply fucked up because theyre the ones most likely to become cops or republicans.

what im saying is, just because enablers are both compassionate and naive, doesnt mean that being non-compassionate makes you non-naive. being non-compassionate just makes you an asshole.

in a way, its the easy way out to say "junkies are a scourge i cannot tolerate at all." that is the sign of someone who has never seen a friend become addicted. that is the sign of someone who has never had to deal with addicts on a personal level. lucky you, asshole. that is the sign of someone who thinks that he is a guru of understanding pleasure/pain, addiction/discipline, strength/weakness, when in reality he has no idea just how much learning he has ahead of him.

man theres lots of quotes in that.

anyway, based off of personal experience with friends who have dabbed in and out of the shit i can easily say "i do not think that you have psychological issues for not tolerating a junkie".

i say this because a junkie is a selfish asshole. in all of my experiences, they are bigger assholes then the one i seem to have made myself to be.

once to the point of a junkie you disregard everything from friends to reality itself, just to get that hit. i have a hard time imagining a problem understanding why someone wouldn't want to deal with that.

im not saying i've disregarded every junkie i've met, i'm still friends with people who crave this shit every waking minute of the day. i just understand why anyone wouldn't want to deal with somebody elses mistake of deciding to waste their life with a needle in their arm.

if you my friend, can tolerate this, awesome. more power to you.

There was a period in my life when I was doing quite a bit of heroin, coke and anything put in front of me. Never got hooked or anything--it was more of a Friday and Saturday night type of thing. When the friends around me started to go down that slippery slope I decided it was time to get the hell out of town.

Some of those folks died in the next few years, others became people I could never imagine them becoming. An ugly scene.

I feel fortunate that I was able to do it, then just left it behind. No rehab, no scars, no overwhelming desire to do it again. Just a period of my life that I was fortunate to be able to live through.