Right? Let’s get this party started.
I have been kicking much ass in online tournaments the last few weeks but still bubbling every time. I both love and hate poker. Except for PLO which just sucks.
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2Take it to the Games room buddy!El Protoolio wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 6:32 pm Right? Let’s get this party started.
I have been kicking much ass in online tournaments the last few weeks but still bubbling every time. I both love and hate poker. Except for PLO which just sucks.
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3I missed being kerbled. I also missed kerble’s mom. Thanks FM tallchris!tallchris wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 6:35 pmTake it to the Games room buddy!El Protoolio wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 6:32 pm Right? Let’s get this party started.
I have been kicking much ass in online tournaments the last few weeks but still bubbling every time. I both love and hate poker. Except for PLO which just sucks.
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5FUCK POKER
For the last 4 weeks I have bubbled in the Tuesday night tournament. Usually top 3 are paid and last night I placed 4th, last week 5th, the week before 4th and the week before that 3rd but because we didn't field enough players only top 2 were paid.
Fucking bullshit. Do the rest of you have any idea what it is like to have to send Andy K money almost every single fucking week for over a year? Siri practically asks me every Tuesday "Would you like to send Andy forty bucks?".
No, I would not. But I did, and I have and next week is my week I can feel it!
For the last 4 weeks I have bubbled in the Tuesday night tournament. Usually top 3 are paid and last night I placed 4th, last week 5th, the week before 4th and the week before that 3rd but because we didn't field enough players only top 2 were paid.
Fucking bullshit. Do the rest of you have any idea what it is like to have to send Andy K money almost every single fucking week for over a year? Siri practically asks me every Tuesday "Would you like to send Andy forty bucks?".
No, I would not. But I did, and I have and next week is my week I can feel it!
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6When I have played, which has been rare unfortunately, my AK suited gets busted by 8's or 10's or some dumb pocket pair that should have folded to my all in. Fuckers.
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7if anyone is interested in joining our weekly Tuesday evening poker tournaments, send me a PM. we get about 10 to 15 people every week. very small buy in. decent prizes every week and usually done in about 3 hours. lots of fun on the zoom.
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8In the year of our Lord 2021 most of the US still bans online poker, and as cardrooms closed during the pandemic, there has developed a pretty substantial underground of online games on toy apps, private servers running their own software and greymarket online sites that face the US, but are almost certainly technically illegal. The legality of the private servers and the clubs that operate them has never been tested, though there's no reason to think they would be legal generally.
Greymarket sites: America's Cardroom/ Black Chip Poker this is the nearest thing to an old-school online site that US players can use. Funding the accounts is kinda slow unless you have cryptocurrency or know an active player who can transfer money to you. NLH and PLO tournaments regularly, some smaller limit game tournaments as well. No mixed games. Has a grinder-heavy player pool and the smaller stakes cash games are rumored to harbor teams of bots playing programmatic strategies that are nearly unbeatable. Higher stakes payouts and funding are the biggest nuisances on this site. Has a limited history of canceling tournaments for technical glitches after they're underway, even in late stages, and not compensating players adequately. The site has banned players for saying shit like I'm saying here in this thread critical of the site.
Bovada/Ignition These sites anonymize players at tables, so it's impossible to bumhunt or scout your opponents, and they manage hand history in a way that can cause problems with HUDs and analytic software, but the games are good and they have a large player pool. Funding is through crypto generally.
Betonline is a sportsbook with a poker app that runs on tablets and phones. There are spotty cash games and the interface is dumb, but since sports bettors are fucking maniacs there are some very big games and bad players. Funding is easiest through crypto.
There are a few others like Intertops that I have no real frame of reference for, but the pickings are slim for open-call poker sites. For that reason, most of the serious play is now on agent-funded sites or clubs. Agent funding means that you either deposit money with a person acting as an agent, or they extend you credit, then you get access to games on toy apps like Pokerrr, or private "home games" on the play-money websites like PokerStars, or private servers running custom software like Kings Club or Mavens.
With agent funding, your agent is responsible to pay anything their represented players lose to the other agents, and likewise you collect your winnings from your agent. If you are the only winning player among your agent's clients, it's extremely likely your agent will be insolvent at some point, and you may have a hard time collecting your winnings. The agents are paid a cut of the rake from the site, so they make money just from having people play, but the agent is responsible for any deadbeats he represents, and deadbeatery is rampant on these platforms. Many of these networks have collapsed, leaving disgruntled and unpaid players with a bad taste in their mouths. This sort of arrangement has been how bookies handled sports wagers forever, so it's no surprise that most of the agents for these sites are also bookmakers or agents for bookmakers, and that funds are fungible between different degeneracies is one of the reasons most of them go bust sooner or later.
The one agent site that seems to be thriving is Kings Club, which has a large assortment of mixed games, limit games and big-bet games, and the different player pools are managed in a way that allows for reasonable liquidity, though access to games is restricted by the agents, so you may need to agent shop to find a player pool that caters to your specialty. The toughest of these games are full of professional players, though the agents typically run their games around action players/whales and when they want to play, a game will build around them.
Live poker will eventually return, it already has in some private spaces, but the crappy online options have helped keep players in stroke during the pandemic.
Greymarket sites: America's Cardroom/ Black Chip Poker this is the nearest thing to an old-school online site that US players can use. Funding the accounts is kinda slow unless you have cryptocurrency or know an active player who can transfer money to you. NLH and PLO tournaments regularly, some smaller limit game tournaments as well. No mixed games. Has a grinder-heavy player pool and the smaller stakes cash games are rumored to harbor teams of bots playing programmatic strategies that are nearly unbeatable. Higher stakes payouts and funding are the biggest nuisances on this site. Has a limited history of canceling tournaments for technical glitches after they're underway, even in late stages, and not compensating players adequately. The site has banned players for saying shit like I'm saying here in this thread critical of the site.
Bovada/Ignition These sites anonymize players at tables, so it's impossible to bumhunt or scout your opponents, and they manage hand history in a way that can cause problems with HUDs and analytic software, but the games are good and they have a large player pool. Funding is through crypto generally.
Betonline is a sportsbook with a poker app that runs on tablets and phones. There are spotty cash games and the interface is dumb, but since sports bettors are fucking maniacs there are some very big games and bad players. Funding is easiest through crypto.
There are a few others like Intertops that I have no real frame of reference for, but the pickings are slim for open-call poker sites. For that reason, most of the serious play is now on agent-funded sites or clubs. Agent funding means that you either deposit money with a person acting as an agent, or they extend you credit, then you get access to games on toy apps like Pokerrr, or private "home games" on the play-money websites like PokerStars, or private servers running custom software like Kings Club or Mavens.
With agent funding, your agent is responsible to pay anything their represented players lose to the other agents, and likewise you collect your winnings from your agent. If you are the only winning player among your agent's clients, it's extremely likely your agent will be insolvent at some point, and you may have a hard time collecting your winnings. The agents are paid a cut of the rake from the site, so they make money just from having people play, but the agent is responsible for any deadbeats he represents, and deadbeatery is rampant on these platforms. Many of these networks have collapsed, leaving disgruntled and unpaid players with a bad taste in their mouths. This sort of arrangement has been how bookies handled sports wagers forever, so it's no surprise that most of the agents for these sites are also bookmakers or agents for bookmakers, and that funds are fungible between different degeneracies is one of the reasons most of them go bust sooner or later.
The one agent site that seems to be thriving is Kings Club, which has a large assortment of mixed games, limit games and big-bet games, and the different player pools are managed in a way that allows for reasonable liquidity, though access to games is restricted by the agents, so you may need to agent shop to find a player pool that caters to your specialty. The toughest of these games are full of professional players, though the agents typically run their games around action players/whales and when they want to play, a game will build around them.
Live poker will eventually return, it already has in some private spaces, but the crappy online options have helped keep players in stroke during the pandemic.
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9Bumping this because it really is a lot of fun and cheap for such a tough game. I’ve learned a ton in the last year and the zoom discussions have been the best. We laugh so much. It has been a series of life rafts of safety and sanity across the vast, lonely and deadly ocean of 2020. Get in it, you could win tens of dollars every week!akosinski wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 7:57 pm if anyone is interested in joining our weekly Tuesday evening poker tournaments, send me a PM. we get about 10 to 15 people every week. very small buy in. decent prizes every week and usually done in about 3 hours. lots of fun on the zoom.
Also fuck poker.
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10Ok I like poker again. Not a ton more but it is getting better.
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