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steve wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:17 pm I just finished a session where the guitar player had a 5150 for her saturated sound and a Bassman 100 for her "mild" overdrive sound, both running all the time, and it was fantastic. The Bassman, not normally an amp I like in any capacity, preserved the playing dynamics and added a lot of low end muscle to the chords, plus a little string attack to the single-note lines and mutes. On its own, it wasn't a flattering sound and I don't think anybody would like it, but as a kind of adjunct to the saturated sound It worked exceptionally well, adding depth and energy. That surprised me, since I'm used to hearing the same problem you're describing.

When I record bands who have a huge dynamic range (MONO, Neurosis...) I often have to set one mic in place with moderate gain for the quiet parts and another with a pad and lower preamp gain for the heavier parts, then learn the arrangement to the extent necessary to switch off the hi-gain mic so it doesn't blow out the track, or just wait till the take is down and erase it.

As I recall, the legendary Klon Centaur pedal uses both a clean and saturated signal path, and the drive control is actually a blend knob between them, so the "sweet spot" is something akin to having a cleaner amp and a roasted one running simultaneously with a balance struck between them, rather than a circuit being driven harder as the knob goes up.
The Klon does a bit of both. The gain knob is a dual pot. One side is turning up the input gain to a clipping stage. The other side is turning down a clean bypass stage that also has a littl ebit of highpass filtering. There's also a third path that is heavily low passed; like maybe 80 Hz or below. I learned this at work... my day job is weird.

I was trying to do something like the above example; a scoopy clean amp and my regular Traynor mid-range crunch amp sitting on top. Ironically, I put a Klon style pedal just on the "clean" side to try to get the saturation knee to match with the Traynor. I can kind of get this to work, and the difference in overdrive tonality and amp EQ seems to give the illusion it's cleaner than it actually is. Now I just need it with a drummer.

Sinde note, had anyone tried to find a good drummer in L.A who doesn't want to "make it" and also isn't already in four bands? I mean, I'm pretty cool, right? What the hell man!

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benadrian wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:23 pm Sinde note, had anyone tried to find a good drummer in L.A who doesn't want to "make it" and also isn't already in four bands? I mean, I'm pretty cool, right? What the hell man!
Never tried to find much of anything in LA, but there's a similar drummer shortage here it seems, except no one is trying to make it. Makes one wanna drop everything and learn drums just to be useful.
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Dr Tony Balls wrote:
benadrian wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:23 pm Sinde note, had anyone tried to find a good drummer in L.A who doesn't want to "make it" and also isn't already in four bands? I mean, I'm pretty cool, right? What the hell man!
Never tried to find much of anything in LA, but there's a similar drummer shortage here it seems, except no one is trying to make it. Makes one wanna drop everything and learn drums just to be useful.
The problem around here is that several good drummers got used to staying at home during the pandemic and never left that mode. I'm not one to talk either: I play and am not exactly putting myself out there either..

That said, if someone is 'only' in 2 bands then joining a 3rd on a low-key basis is probably doable. No sense trying to find that unicorn drummer.
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I have tried so many dual amp setups since I began this thread. My latest was my Traynor with an AC30 style boutique combo. It sounded pretty great, but I felt like I always has some kind of compromise when balancing out the amps.

No matter what I try, I always end up returning to my Cartographer setup. Maybe one day I will find the perfect "extra amp that adds something", but for now I have a pretty amazing, simple, and killer setup.

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benadrian wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:23 pm
steve wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:17 pm As I recall, the legendary Klon Centaur pedal uses both a clean and saturated signal path, and the drive control is actually a blend knob between them, so the "sweet spot" is something akin to having a cleaner amp and a roasted one running simultaneously with a balance struck between them, rather than a circuit being driven harder as the knob goes up.
The Klon does a bit of both. The gain knob is a dual pot. One side is turning up the input gain to a clipping stage. The other side is turning down a clean bypass stage that also has a littl ebit of highpass filtering. There's also a third path that is heavily low passed; like maybe 80 Hz or below.
Ok, I'm intrigued. Does anyone know of a specific (affordable) Klon clone that employs the same principle? I feel like there are so many out there...and that some are probably just a semi-transparent OD with a centaur or minotaur or unicorn or whatever on em.
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Tom Wanderer wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:55 am Ok, I'm intrigued. Does anyone know of a specific (affordable) Klon clone that employs the same principle? I feel like there are so many out there...and that some are probably just a semi-transparent OD with a centaur or minotaur or unicorn or whatever on em.
I saw the MXR Fat Sugar being recommended on here a while back.. haven't checked it out myself but it's the most I'd pay for a 'transparent overdrive'.
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There are a bunch that have the dual ganged pot and are a direct clone.

Wampler Tumnus (the 3-knob mini one is cheap used)
Electro-Harmonix Soul Food
Warm Audio Centavo
J.Rockett Archer
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As an aside, I believe J.Rockett was the company that helped Mr Klon develop and roll out his KTR. So theirs should be about as close as it gets.

I’m super interested in the Deluxe Tumnus because I don’t love the Centaur’s honky mid spike.

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