But according to the language of the Declaration, people have those rights. Boy, you are really struggling with the phrase 'endowed by their Creator', aren't you? Nope. Just doesn't compute in your brain, does it? Yes, indeed, it does. If it was understood that people had these rights, why did it r...

I'm willing to bet that most atheists (not all, but most) believe that human beings have rights just because they're human. That fits right in with the philosophy laid out in the Declaration. But that's not the language of the Declaration. The language is 'they are endowed with unalienable rights b...

It is the atheistic bigots who want to break the linkage between their unalienable rights and the authority that the founders named as the source of those rights: the Creator. Yeah, I don't think the atheist on this board are trying to do that. You're trying to say that's what they're doing, but th...

Of course it matters. That is why they used the phrase 'endowed by a Creator'- because it matters. The authority for their declaration of unalienable rights is traced back to the Creator. It goes back to the Creator according to those few gentlemen who signed it. Is it possible for an atheist to th...

If you think that you should give back your unalienable rights because you can't cope with the words 'the Creator' being attached to them, you priorities are fucked beyond belief. But I don't think that. That would negate the word "unalienable." And I can cope with the word "the Crea...

japmn wrote:I do not eat food that is primarily chicken abortion.

Crap.

Eggs are not abortions. They're not even fertilized, so there's no embryo to abort. So enjoy your eggs, guilt free!

But, what's the Creator? Doesn't matter. Oh, but I believe it does. Look at the language Jefferson used to refer to this entity or force or whatever the fuck: Nature's God...the Creator. OK, to what religion is he referencing? Is he even referencing a religion? He mentions a deity, sure, but he is ...

All I'm saying is this: if you want your unalienable rights, you need to accept the language that gave them to you, and that means that you need to accept that these rights were sourced to a Creator. But, what's the Creator? Is it a sentient being? A power inherent in nature? Some ancient common an...

Tom wrote:Quiche has a strange reputation as being a wuss food.
Is it just cos of the name? I don't get this reputation.

It's a pie made out of fucking eggs and bacon. This is not a wuss food.

Let's call it egg pie from now on.

Egg Pie = ANTI-CRAP

Gogol Bordello are very accomplished musicians playing very, very schticky music. It is sorta fun for about ten minutes. Twenty if you like to drink. Thirty if you like to get really drunk. And perhaps a full hour if you know what emptying a bottle by yourself feels like from personal experience. A...