Hello all.
I have been using a pair of HR824s as my primary reference monitors in my home studio space. I am not real impressed with the imaging or low frequency response, and I find the way they translate mid range frequencies to be harsh and exaggerated. Admittedly, my studio has some acoustic space issues that I cannot address fully due to the fact that I am renting and am not allowed to make any permanent accoustic improvements. Even at low mixing levels these speakers do not seem real focused and my ears become fatigued easily. There has already been a bit written about the HR824 monitors on the forum. Can anyone compare these speakers to the KRK V8 or Event ASP8? Any opinions as to whether these would be an improvement to the HR824? I have done various auction searches, and, as much as I would love to purchase a Bryston power amp and pair of B & W 805 monitors, that option looks to be well over my budget.
Has anyone worked with the Adam Artist monitors?
Thanks.
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2is your room big enough to benefit from 8 inch speakers?
The V8 Series II have the Mackie Syndrome of very pillowy bass response. The Events do it nice and crisp, and sound great, but the 6 inch version is better for a smaller room (they're cheaper, too).
Look into the Dynaudio BM5As. They're 6.7" woofers. 100W high quality amp built in. They don't have the greatest bass response, but their bigger brothers do:
Dynaudio BM6A. This is what I mix on. Speakers are actually 6.9" despite the 6.7" that's written on the box. 200W. Better bass management due to wider frequency response. Cabinet is only a hair bigger, but is laid out in a more logical way (the BM5A tries to fit a lot of stuff into a tiny cabinet leaving no resonance whatsoever)
The V8 Series II have the Mackie Syndrome of very pillowy bass response. The Events do it nice and crisp, and sound great, but the 6 inch version is better for a smaller room (they're cheaper, too).
Look into the Dynaudio BM5As. They're 6.7" woofers. 100W high quality amp built in. They don't have the greatest bass response, but their bigger brothers do:
Dynaudio BM6A. This is what I mix on. Speakers are actually 6.9" despite the 6.7" that's written on the box. 200W. Better bass management due to wider frequency response. Cabinet is only a hair bigger, but is laid out in a more logical way (the BM5A tries to fit a lot of stuff into a tiny cabinet leaving no resonance whatsoever)
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3Hello and thanks for the response.
The room I mix in is 11' w x 14' d and has 10' ceilings. I have my monitors placed 4 feet apart and 2 feet from the wall behind them. You make a good point about the 8" vs. 6.5" woofer. Since I have to be respectful of my neighboors, I rarely rock out at high volume. I think that I would rather be able to push more output through my new monitors than I am able to do with the HR824s. I have never found the HR824s to be crisp on the low end.
What do you think?
The room I mix in is 11' w x 14' d and has 10' ceilings. I have my monitors placed 4 feet apart and 2 feet from the wall behind them. You make a good point about the 8" vs. 6.5" woofer. Since I have to be respectful of my neighboors, I rarely rock out at high volume. I think that I would rather be able to push more output through my new monitors than I am able to do with the HR824s. I have never found the HR824s to be crisp on the low end.
What do you think?
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4Maybe you should try placing your monitors closer to the wall - less than 0.5 meters, or farther from the wall - more than 1.4 meters(The back wall ofcourse). Maybe it will solve some of the problems in the low end.
As for buying other monitors, the new KRK's are not as good as the old Krk's. They switched management, and now they're making them in china. Even people who sell them, told me that they're not as good as the old Krk's.
What about Genelec? They're making some fine monitors.
As for buying other monitors, the new KRK's are not as good as the old Krk's. They switched management, and now they're making them in china. Even people who sell them, told me that they're not as good as the old Krk's.
What about Genelec? They're making some fine monitors.
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5There is a lot of room treatment you can do that is not permanent. Placing absorbing material in strategic locations to cancel early reflections will improve your imaging more that any new set of monitors will. Corner traps or bass traps of some type can help to smooth out the low end response. I built 10 2x4' panel absorbers (rigid fiberglass mounted on a frame) and 8 2x4' membrane-style bass traps (sealed boxes with 1/4" plywood front and rigid back with suspended fiberglass) for about $300. If I did it again, I think I'd just make the panel absorbers and use thicker fiberglass and/or mount them on corners to get better bass trapping. They are much easier to build (I'm the world's worst carpenter), much lighter so they aren't so hard to hang on the wall and really effective.
If they aren't already, you should also make sure your speakers are centered along the short wall of the room so it's completely symmetric and they are firing along the longest dimension of the room.
If they aren't already, you should also make sure your speakers are centered along the short wall of the room so it's completely symmetric and they are firing along the longest dimension of the room.
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6Thanks for the advice. I am actually going to do as you suggested and build a series of 2' x 4' panels for the sides and corners of the room. I am still seriously considering trying some new monitors though. I have worked on the HR824s in a number of different rooms and every time I perceive there to be an exagerrated response in the lower (muddy) and upper (nasally) mid range that doesn't translate well in my mixes. I am also receiving a whole lot of interest from potential buyers as mine are in tip-top shape, so I should get back close to what I paid for them. Anyway, after considerable research, I am leaning towards the BM6As (more so than the Event ASP8s).
You mentioned in a previous post that you were initially disappointed by them (before burning them in) and then grew to like them. What did you find disagreeable about them?
You mentioned in a previous post that you were initially disappointed by them (before burning them in) and then grew to like them. What did you find disagreeable about them?
Let's hear it for Frankie...
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7I don't find much at all wrong with the BM6As. Are they the best speakers ever made? Hell no. Best under $2k? Hell yes. I've done the shoot out a million times and I still believe that. I was going to buy them without hearing them, and finally went to check them out. There were none in the area to hear, but I did check out the BM5As. They almost ruined it for me because they were a little too "something" in the higher range. Then a studio we stopped through on tour had the BM6As and I was instantly sold (and bought their pair before leaving).
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8Well, I wasn't enjoying listening to music as much on them as my old monitors. Even after burning them in, there is still something about the low end that is not as flattering....for listening that is, so I put my old monitors in my living room. For mixing, I think they are awesome. My mixes translate much better without having to try as hard. I can hear EQ and compression changes much more easily - the stereo imaging and detail is great. My room is rather small though, so I've always had weird low end problems even with treatment. The low end on the BM6 (I have the passive version powered by a Hafler P3000 btw) is really tight but not boomy, so you just have to get used to it. I'm thinking about adding a sub though as I don't really hear much below ~60Hz in my room.