I think the most amazing thing about Genesis is that people like totally different eras of the band. I like all their 70's stuff. This guy really digs the 80's stuff (hey, more power to ya... I don't get it, but gomba dude!). Then there's people who only like the Peter Gabriel stuff.

I'll bet there's some people that only like the first Bee Gee's sounding album.

Then, there's people in Western Kentucky who will run you over with their John Deer if you even think of playing Genesis... Tee hee!

Anyway, I gotta watch these DVD's again. It is truly remakable to see footage of these guys in the 70's. Living proof that art does not pay! Yeah, there's a shit load of old Genesis stuff on Ebay. Mostly bootlegs from Quebec'ers... I really like French Canadians much more than English Canadians. If not for the Musical Box, then for Miriodor!

Chapter Two wrote:Supper's Ready is great
That lawnmower song and the one Phil Collins sings on Selling England by the Pound are great
Mama's interesting
everything else is shit

You mean "The Cinema Show"? Hmmm... I'd take that over Supper's Ready, for the best Genesis epic song. But it's a tough call.

I think there's a lot more great Genesis than the 3 songs you mention.

Chapter Two wrote:the one Phil Collins sings on Selling England by the Pound

I don't like "More Fool Me" that much. I must admit, I feel it's one of the weaker tracks on SEBTP, and I fast forward to the next track (Battle of Epping Forest) 95% of the time.

But I do find it interesting how there's no consensus amongst Genesis fans as to what is good or their best material. To me, this is a wonderful thing, and I won't "bully" anyone for not liking Cinema Show or Dance on A Volcano, or anything like that...

I do, and will always, take exception to the myth that Peter Gabriel was the band. I love the guy, and he was an adventurous front man, but he had little to do with the musical compositions. Listen to his solo stuff, and it's obvious. Solsbury Hill couldn't even be an outtake for a Genesis album (and I like that song)...

Genesis were a democracy, and they each contributed their parts. If you think PG's flute, tambourine, and kick drum playing "carried" the band, then that's a valid opinion, but not grounded in much reality at all... I wouldn't say he was the Davey Jones of Genesis, but not the mastermind of the band that most people think...

yut wrote:I think in Western Kentucky, someone playing a jug and a tub with a bass string, while fucking his sister would go down well...

Well, we're a primitive lot, in some ways, but not so much so that having our musical tastes maligned will lead us trot out regional (if not racist) stereotypes.

But we are likely to whip the shit out of somebody if he gets too mouthy.

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:

yut wrote:I think in Western Kentucky, someone playing a jug and a tub with a bass string, while fucking his sister would go down well...

Well, we're a primitive lot, in some ways, but not so much so that having our musical tastes maligned will lead us trot out regional (if not racist) stereotypes.

But we are likely to whip the shit out of somebody if he gets too mouthy.

It's funny you mention this... In my condo building, some new neighbors from Kentucky moved in. They park their Volvo way too close to my Passat (the one with the rainbow Apple sticker), because they are too drunk on moonshine to park properly.

Anyway, about a week ago, I noticed a few pennies on the ground right in front of the car door. No nickels, no dimes, but pennies. I didn't think much about it, and the custodian removed them within a few days. A few days later, more pennies in front of my car door. Then gone again. This repeated again.

So last week, I was going up to my unit, taking the stairs. For some reason, these assfucks from Kentucky (the guy was even wearing a t-shirt that was labelled "Kentucky" on it, like some sports jersey. Maybe for hog wrestlin'?) were parked in front of the door to get to the stairs. I had to walk around and scrape my ass on the dead bug covered front of the Volvo to get to the door to the stairs... Then I overhear the guy talk to his nasty butt-ugly wife "That's that Jew".

Now I see where the pennies come in. They've been putting them there to see if I pick them up. That's what "us Jews" do.

The funny thing is I'm not Jewish nor circumsized. I'm half Egyptian and half Swedish, which I guess in Kentucky means "Jew". Actually, though, I do look like a Jew, and people have told me this in civil and hostile ways in the past. I really feel sorry for the Jews, because a lot of people don't like them. And since I look Jewish, even more than most Jews (I look like I'm straight outta Tel Aviv), I have to put up with this shit too.

Oh... Kentucky. Yeah, that's where these Nazi hicks are from. Yeah, nice state. I'm going to ram those fucking pennies down that fuckers throat.

The best thing is that they have kids. I'm sure they've pointed out the Jew to their kids, giving another generation the gift of anti-semitism. Their fucking kid stomps on the stairs for fun. I mean, these are some real fucking rubes.

The way I see it is, there's only a few parts of this country I can really live in and move freely about. Kentucky isn't one of them. Chicago is cool. NYC is cool. A lot of the urban NE. Urban west coast.

If they don't like Jews, they should go back to Kentucky, or most of the rest of the U.S., which is full of rednecks. White trash has most of the country, and I don't mind if they come to my neck of the woods... But the whole Jew hating thing is something they can leave in Kentucky, Arkansas, or even southern Illinois.

Anyway, it's funny you mention this, because today is the fifth day I've had pennies in front of my car door... This started when these assholes moved in. Fucking rubes. Their kids look inbred, and are dumb as shit, so I think they are sis and bro...

You're probably different. There's probably lots of cool people in Kentucky, but a shit load of rubes. I've driven through there a few times, and been to Louisville 4 or 5 times. I might as well be wearing a yamica down there.

You're probably a white guy, so you probably might not experience this.

Oh yeah... and I forgot why I was posting on the Genesis thread in the first place.

I must fess up. I think Genesis are crap, apart from LLDOB. That's the only good one, thanks to Eno and Peter Gabriel.

I kind of hinted that I had heard all of their early material, but I was sorta not being sincere. I got a few of the other albums like Foxtrot and Selling England, and they're groovy hippy jams. LLDOB is the best thing they did. I also got one of the albums after PG left... A Trick... Awful. I can't stand the way that hard boiled egg lookin' mo fo sings.

Since Genesis only have one good album, I'll have to vote crap. 93% crap to 7% good is crap in my book!

SYSADMIN> can I retract my original vote? Genesis are crizzap!

They got to you didn't they?

Stay strong, prog Brother, stay strong!

It was really just my bad... I'm always a little behind the times. Indie rock's fascination with "prog" ended around 2000 or so... But there I was, still listening to Genesis, Crimson, and of course, Tull. I should really put expiration dates on my CD's...

Now I'm up to speed. I dusted off all my 80's college radio vinyl. That band James is the best. I also groove to the Wonderstuff, The Church, and Big Pig... I'm also into the heavy dark stuff, like Sisters of Mercy, Fields of the Nephilim, and The Cure stuff like the Head on the Door (sinister!). I always liked this stuff. It's so sad, because for most of the 90's indie hipsters would make fun of me for liking this stuff, but now they lap it up like little chihuahuas.



But I guess I this points to my weakness of not knowing when old skool stuff is "in" or "out". I don't have a clue. Shit, I still wear pleated corduroy pants with a button down denim shirt (with an embroidered corporate logo where my left tit is). I just don't have a clue as to what is cool or not. I even watch Blue's Clues, but the clues evade me!




This time, I busted out my sharpie and labelled these rekkids with expiration dates. I think the 80-85 retro will last until about August of 2006. Then I will get into the 85-90 stuff... Like the Madchester rave scene and Seattle grunge. I still have some flannels and all my baggy jeans and oversized t-shirts.

S>U>B
P<O<O<P

I don't want to get too much of a jump on the rave and grunge thing... Not just yet... But I do want to start growing out my hair so I have a grunge-bob by Semptember of 2006... I got, what... a year? I think I can pull it off. But yeah, I'm gonna bust out of my rusty cage. I will be the man in the box no longer! I now recognize the pattern, and this will keep me in the loop, and this will lead to great riches, both financial and cultural.

Oh yeah... but there are those that think prog is on a comeback. They think this because bands like Van Der Graaf Generator and Univers Zero have reformed, and concerts of this sort sell out very rapidly.

But these people are not cool at all. They are fat and play dungeons and dragons, when they're not eating microwave popcorn and watching the Sci-Fi channel.

As for VdGG and UZ, who wants to see some geezers try to rock out to have a little nostalgia fest? Boring. These guys don't wear suits, and they don't dance.

While art/prog rock may appear to be on a comeback, this is akin to saying country music is hip because a lot of people listen to it. We all know, apart from Tom Waits, country music is shit. Tom Waits is so fucking awesome. He has that grizzly voice and sings cool-as-shit songs about real Americans. I think we can ALL agree, Tom Waits is about as cool as can be. If anyone else did music like that, I probably wouldn't like it, but since cool people listen to Tom Waits in cool bookstores while drinking cool coffee drinks, I'm all for him!

Let's face it... No music is timeless... So these prog turds that put a little Bach, Brahms, Bartok, Stravinsky, Cage, or what-have-you in some bloated, excessive rock song... It's not timeless at all. I don't care how many time changes or key transpositions they do. I really don't want any dynamics in music, because then I have to adjust the volume on my iPod.

There are some good prog artists that will live on -- Can, Eno, Rush and Asia, to mention a few. But I mean, this isn't the tip of the iceburg. This is pretty much it.

The bottom line, though, is you look at these guys and they're fucking NERDS! Rock is about being and looking cool. Even if these guys were the best band in the world, could anyone listen to these D&D douche bags when they look like this?!?



Puss in boots!!! Ha ha ha! Get a fuckin' suit and a clue!

I've seen the light... Ima suri dondai! Truth is subjectivity, and to that extent, if the mass subjective will is telling me Duran Duran is a better band than Genesis, it's ME who is wrong...

Ok, anyway... I gotta go to Pilates class. Since the low carb diet thing isn't cool anymore, I've been eating wonder bread and sucrose sandwiches, and my thighs are starting to get full... I'm glad that is over, though... I sure did miss my 2pm insulin coma nap... Ah... carbo-fuel-energy! Zzzzz. I feel it coming on now. Fuck Pilates, I don't think it's cool anymore...

Goodnight!

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:But we are likely to whip the shit out of somebody if he gets too mouthy.

He appears to be trying to call your bluff.

Linus Van Pelt wrote:

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:But we are likely to whip the shit out of somebody if he gets too mouthy.

He appears to be trying to call your bluff.

No shit, Shylock.

I'm just trying to figure out why stereotyping Jews or Swedish/Egyptian hybrids is worse than stereotyping Kentuckians. My point, here and elsewhere, is that, while we all know it's verboten to pigeonhole gays or blacks or Polish immigrants, it always seems to be open season on rednecks, white trash, hillbillies, and whatever region one assumes spawns such people. Muhammad Ali and Rachel Grimes and Hunter Thompson are as quintessentially Kentuckian as that hypothetical NASCAR fan everyone seems to spend so much time thinking about.