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LAD wrote:Cranius, do you think you could elaborate on how the term continues to be used (if it does) in the visual arts and your thoughts on the matter.


Throughout the first-half of the twentieth-century the linear progression of modernism had seen a refinement of form and process in art, through reductivism, and a tendency towards absolutism. Avant-gardism was its own raison d'étre. (See Marinetti's Manifesto of Futurism).

By the late fifties/early-sixties the visual arts had reached an impasse. The work of artists such as Rothko and Pollock represented a historical endgame, in which painters attempted to paint the 'final painting', free from cultural significance and meaning--They had literally painted themselves into a corner.

Clement Greenberg, the preeminent theorist of Abstract Expressionism and Post-Painterly Abstraction, thought that painting should be primarily concerned with the connection between artist and brush strokes. He was obsessed with the two-dimensionality of the picture plane and the materiality of paint and was very rigid in his conception of art.

Abstract Expressionism came to represent the patriarchy of high art. The CIA even funded extensive tours of Abstract Expressionism around the world, in order to champion freedom of expression in the world's foremost democracy. Art became a cultural weapon. The uncritical individualist pose of the artists like Pollock (the 'Lonely Rebel' as Jameson puts it) began to appear increasingly chauvinistic. Painting in particlular seemed to be a masculine pursuit. The rise of feminism and race in critical theory began to question the cultural primacy of painting.

(When I went to the recent Guston retrospective you can see this struggle of ideas internalized; as Guston goes through his own paradigm shifts--from surrealism to extreme abstraction and out the otherside into self-referential neo-expressionism)

Duchamp, who can be considered the forerunner of post-modernist art, suffered his own intellectual crisis with painting as early as 1912, coming to see it as the ' senseless glorification of the hand'. His use of 'ready-mades' leveled the playing-field of art, and narrowed the gap between artist and audience. This layed a lot of intellectual ground-work for artists such as Andy Warhol, Jasper Johns and Robert Rauschenberg. High and low art distinctions could now be blurred, and multiplicity of meaning and 'rhizomic' undrerstanding became acceptable. Although Pop Art may seem like a historical genre, it was gateway through which art became more accessible and even flagrantly populist. Other genres such as cinema and billboard art were elevated to high art status (In the case of Jodorowsky's El Topo and Holy Mountain it was mime and symbolism that were reasserted). Technology has also begun to play a part with the emergence of video and performance and other time-based media. A good definition of postmodernist art is that it tests the limits of expression with the tools it finds to hand.

My least favourite examples of post-modernism are from the eighties/nineties, with artists such as Koons self-consciously strategizing for postioning within the art-market. The supposedly clever irony of holding a mirror to the market really bears out Debord's observation that: "...the image has become the final form of commodity reification". There was also a trend for ultra-postmodernism in which artists attempted to ride the zeitgeist wave of the paradigm shift. This allowed a lot of hucksters and chancers to write themselves into art history.

I think the debate vis-a-vis post-modernism and modernism is beginning to move on and there is almost a move towards a form of 'post-art'. The Chapman brothers and Matthew Barney are conscious exponents of this.

Martin Kippenberger is good example of a self-effacing post-modernist, who never sticks to single medium and openly acknowledges that he gets other people to paint for him.


Intresting links:

Adorno: The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception

Benjamin: The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction
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not crap if you know what you mean when you say it and the person you're saying it to knows what you mean.

my understanding of it, as based on some art history course (so this is less about philosophy and more about art etc.)...

modernism in art often involves paring things down to find some universal core. the best example would be mondrian, who did his compositions using only rectangles of white, black and the three primary colors -- all paintings supposedly being extrapolations from those core elements (mixing the colors etc.).

post-modernism is less about finding a universal core and more about expressing something supposedly unique to the artist (or maybe their small demographic). as opposed to "all paintings around the world really boil down to this simple little design i made" it's like "no painting anywhere else in the world expresses my experience as a "black jewish lesbian from illinois whose mom was a drug addict and whose dad was abusive and i had an eating disorder etc."

another thing is that modernism focused on rule-breaking ("think a urinal isn't art? is now!") and post-modernism is having a hard time finding new rules to break, so there's this theme of cross-period, cross-culture collage like "hey, i wrote a piece that quotes bach, shoenberg, beethoven and iron maiden, in alternating disco and polka arrangement". that's why people are like "sampling is post modern, nwa is post-modern, beck is postmodern" etc.

as far as i can tell baudrillard is an unintelligible wanker. i'll concede though that there is something weird about how displaced we're getting from immediate experience -- it's all photos of photos etc.

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i can't be assed to get into a conversation about it. i study philosophy at university so i come across this subject most weeks. as well as the odd pretentious faggot who thinks he knows what it is!!!!

to me its to broad a name that classes to much bullshit under it everyone has their own idea about what it is yet no one can agree about it. it's bullshit ok. final

post modern = another pretentious faggot talking to me.
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