thanksgiving, holiday of meaning

very nice time for my family and i to enjoys eachothers company
Total votes: 24 (62%)
besides the food and football, i couln't give a shit
Total votes: 6 (15%)
native american holocaust day
Total votes: 9 (23%)
Total votes: 39

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You have pie and you have yams and you the the green bean casserole with the fried onions on top and (in my family) you have stuffing with raisins and apples. And you have football and you have family.

What could possibly be wrong with that?

And my favorite part is that despite all the Pilgrim and Indian crap, this wasn't a holiday until 1863.

Witness:

William H. Seward wrote:By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward,
Secretary of State


http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/thanks.htm

And you thought you had some God-lovin' folks in power these days! I'm particularly fond of the "dwelleth" part.

Dan

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I once had a girl freak out on me about the whole indian holocaust thing when I asked her nicely if she "had a nice holiday".

I don't mind thanksgiving. I get the day off, get to see my sister's kids, get to eat good food and then go home. After a nap I usually go see some shoe models with friends.

Thanksgiving = Good low-key times

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bumble wrote:My favorite holiday.

.... no stress, just great food and some nice wine and curling up all together.


I am with you. It and 4th of July are my two favorite holidays not really as much for the real back stories of each holiday but for the way I celebrate them with others (Thanksgiving with my parents, my 92 year old Grandma, and brother and sister and all of our families and 4th of July with my wife and children and a bunch of great friends we don't get to see enough throughout the year). They are both very stressfree, warm, laid back holidays where we all take the time to enjoy each other and ourselves... usually with great food included. Damn! Can't get better than that.

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I would like this holiday a great deal more if the turkey were replaced with trout or a capon, and if the casseroles were skipped completely. There is nothing wrong with a properly prepared "hot dish," but they tend to involve ingredients that I haven't witnessed since the first days of college when I lived in the dorms in Madison and had only a microwave and mini-fridge to prepare food with. It's a celebration of thankfulness and bounty, people. Let's saved the canned items for when we're roughing it in the woods.

My favourite holiday in the world occurs right before Thanksgiving, when gun deer hunting season opens and my family and I get together for "Dough-dough Saturday," in which we sleep in and then wake immediately to consume massive amounts of doughnuts (I enjoy the chocolate custard-filled long johns and maple persians) while we laugh about all of the hunters in the cold, bleak Wisconsin Northwoods sitting in their stands and freezing as they dodge drunken gunfire from the other hunters. This, along with New Year's Eve (filet mignon/scallops/lobster/cream of garlic soup/assorted vegetables), is my family's most important holiday. Dough-dough Saturday is my Thanksgiving.

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Mandroid2.0 wrote:I would like this holiday a great deal more if the turkey were replaced with trout or a capon, and if the casseroles were skipped completely. There is nothing wrong with a properly prepared "hot dish," but they tend to involve ingredients that I haven't witnessed since the first days of college when I lived in the dorms in Madison and had only a microwave and mini-fridge to prepare food with. It's a celebration of thankfulness and bounty, people. Let's saved the canned items for when we're roughing it in the woods.

My favourite holiday in the world occurs right before Thanksgiving, when gun deer hunting season opens and my family and I get together for "Dough-dough Saturday," in which we sleep in and then wake immediately to consume massive amounts of doughnuts (I enjoy the chocolate custard-filled long johns and maple persians) while we laugh about all of the hunters in the cold, bleak Wisconsin Northwoods sitting in their stands and freezing as they dodge drunken gunfire from the other hunters. This, along with New Year's Eve (filet mignon/scallops/lobster/cream of garlic soup/assorted vegetables), is my family's most important holiday. Dough-dough Saturday is my Thanksgiving.


Jeez, um, well...
Reality

Popular Mechanics Report of 9-11

NIST Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster

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Not Crap:

It is good to give thanks. Don't forget about how good you've got it! Count your blessings! Don't take it for granted! Etc!

Family! Mine is good! Yours, maybe bad - but my family, my vote, Not Crap!

Four days off!

No presents, true, but - that means no going broke buying presents either!

Indians? I don't know. The (pseudo-)historical relevance of Thanksgiving to me is not to celebrate the relationship in general between the Americans and the European colonizers, but the relationship at one particular moment in time. At that moment it was an okay one - friendship, harmony, helping out. Before it all went to shit. Celebrating the moment before it all went to shit - Not Crap. (Compare Columbus Day, celebrating the life of a murdering slaver. That's the Indian Holocaust Day for real.) But for me, this point is not so relevant, because for me, Thanksgiving is not about remembering and celebrating the anniversary of The First Thanksgiving - for me, Thanksgiving is about giving thanks in your own way for your own blessings in your own situation. Even if I'm totally off and The First Thanksgiving was totally shit, it doesn't ruin the holiday for me.

So much of the food!

The biggest non-sectarian holiday!
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