vockins wrote:

Bradley R. Weissenberger wrote:Juan Pierre, you are the prototypical "pesky" leadoff hitter, and you had a .326 OBP in 2005. This is a terrible OBP for a leadoff hitter.

I think an OBP of .326 is what the statheads over at the Society for American Baseball Research call "below league average".

The defensive rate of Juan Pierre (94, in his best year) is also considered "below league average".

He also has a road OPS of .660. If a gnat were to play Major League Baseball, that would probably be the gnat's OPS.

I would bet that Juan Pierre hits less than 3 HR this year, even playing half of his games in the Friendly Confines. If he can't hit them in Coors Field, he can't hit them anywhere.

Juan Pierre is what Yankees fans like myself call "Womackian". If this is the kind of player the Cubs are looking for, I urge the front office to contact Brian Cashman, the general manager of the New York Yankees, with great haste. They could possibly obtain Womack himself, in exchange for Derrek Lee or Mark Prior, possibly.

yep, you are right. pierre reeks of womack! i mean, look at the career numbers of each:

Womack
avg - .273 obp - .316 slg- .356 1335 hits in 12 seasons

Pierre
avg - .305 obp - .355 slg- .375 1040 hits in 6 seasons

might it be noted that this is a contract year for pierre as well. tall grass on the wrigley infield will help this young man too. if the cubs get even a .320 obp out of their 1 & 2 guys in front of lee and ramirez last year they are scoring a lot more runs. remember, fucking corey patterson and neifi perez were batting in the 1 and 2 hole a lot of last year, take a look at corey's OBP. yea, you are reading that right, .254 neifi? yep. .298 they still scored 703 runs.

i'm not saying i like this move too awful much, giving up nolasco and pinto is quite a price, let alone mitre, but the object is to win now, not in the future. speaking of the future (2007 season), the top talent in the farm system for the cubs should be ready to take over CF, felix pie. with that i say, you have one year pierre to earn a big contract next year from someone else in the league, get to it.

zeroart wrote:i'm not saying i like this move too awful much, giving up nolasco and pinto is quite a price, let alone mitre

That doesn't look like a high price to me. Maybe the minor leaguers turn into great players. Or maybe they turn into the second and third coming of Sergio Mitre, which is nothing this Cubs fan is going to miss.

zeroart wrote:but the object is to win now, not in the future. speaking of the future (2007 season), the top talent in the farm system for the cubs should be ready to take over CF, felix pie.

I remember when Corey Patterson was a can't miss prospect. A cross between Lou Brock and Hank Aaron. Christ, the hype around this "5 tool" player.
Now they'd be happy to get a bag of balls for him. So I'm holding off on getting my panties all wet over Felix Pie.

zeroart wrote:speaking of the future (2007 season), the top talent in the farm system for the cubs should be ready to take over CF, felix pie.

Here is your Felix Pie update:

"Pie is batting just .226/.269/.345 in 84 AB [in the Dominican Winter League], so he has been playing less lately."

He's the next David Kelton!

He can't miss!

The Kid wrote:Or maybe they turn into the second and third coming of Sergio Mitre, which is nothing this Cubs fan is going to miss.

This White Sox fan will miss Sergio Mitre!

Yes he will!

Actually, I believe that Sergio Mitre could become a solid MLB starter.

If I am Sergio Mitre, I thank the sweet baby Jeebus that I got out of Chicago before Dusty Baker ruined my arm. If I am Sergio Mitre, I also thank the sweet baby Jeebus for giving me such a supercool name.

Sergio Mitre.

Now you will excuse me while I post this Chicago White Sox logo in a Chicago Cubs thread.

zeroart wrote:yep, you are right. pierre reeks of womack! i mean, look at the career numbers of each:

Womack
avg - .273 obp - .316 slg- .356 1335 hits in 12 seasons

Pierre
avg - .305 obp - .355 slg- .375 1040 hits in 6 seasons

You neglect to mention that half of Pierre's career has been played in Coors Field. How fortunate for Pierre that he has had that experience. He's so lucky!

In fact, if we factor in the effect of Coors Field on offensive productivity, where Lucky Pierre played three of his six years, it appears that Lucky Pierre played "below league average", considering the whole of the National League hit .312 and slugged .532 there.

.532! Lucky Pierre's not even fucking close!

Not only that, if the feeble Womack had been as fortunate to play half of his career in Coors Field as Lucky Pierre has, he'd be hitting .298 lifetime! And he'd be slugging .410!

.410! Womack! The zinc standard for overpaid speed! It appears that Lucky Pierre is the uber-Womack! He has taken the throne!

The reader might say, "Well, vockins, if his offensive production has been bolstered by sparse air of the Front Range, surely his defense in center field is then underrated." I would agree, but unfortunately, it appears that his defensive rate didn't change at all playing in Florida.

fucking corey patterson and neifi perez were batting in the 1 and 2 hole a lot of last year

The dogshit example of Neifi Perez outslugged Lucky Pierre last year. Patterson and Pierre were about the same.

i'm not saying i like this move too awful much, giving up nolasco and pinto is quite a price, let alone mitre, but the object is to win now, not in the future.

They ain't going to win now. And they ain't going to win in the future. This trade is fucking horrible.

with that i say, you have one year pierre to earn a big contract next year from someone else in the league, get to it.

Lucky Pierre will be lucky to be playing elsewhere after 2006, much less earning a big contract. But his luck has gotten him this far, so who knows.

Criticising Lucky Pierre is like shooting fish in a barrel. He straight up sucks. If he plays every day, the Cubs will be worse than last year.

it's okay vockins, there's no need for you to be sore that florida wouldn't take sean henn and scott proctorologist off your hands. i'm sure bubba crosby's performance in the bronx will far outshine that of pierre this year!

vockins wrote:I would bet that Juan Pierre hits less than 3 HR this year, even playing half of his games in the Friendly Confines. If he can't hit them in Coors Field, he can't hit them anywhere.

How does playing at Coors factor in to him having the 2nd most triples in the NL last year? I don't get it.

scott wrote:How does playing at Coors factor in to him having the 2nd most triples in the NL last year? I don't get it.

If the Cubs are planning their win now strategy around 13 triples, well, that's sure going to be interesting.

scott wrote:How does playing at Coors factor in to him having the 2nd most triples in the NL last year? I don't get it.

In terms of sheer real estate, Coors has a much larger, more expansive outfield than most other parks. All the space leads to more hits of all kinds.

This, more than the thin air, is the reason why players have such great offensive statistics at Coors.

slowriot wrote:i'm sure bubba crosby's performance in the bronx will far outshine that of pierre this year!

Bubba hit .276/.304/.327 last year. This is atrocious.

However, he didn't start playing every day until the last week in August. Bubba hit .327/.339/.418 when he played every day. While no one would confuse these numbers with Mickey Mantle's, it's not bad for a number nine hitter, or a leadoff man for the Cubs.

Dear Hataz:

Juan Pierre YTD:
BA = .232
AB = 138 (Cubs leader)
OBP = .274 (Hope you're making the big bucks up in Idaho, BRW)
GO = 64 (MLB leader by ten outs)
BB = 7

This is bad for a number nine hitter at any position, much less a CF. Just about any AAA Joe Blow CF can do better than this.

If Juan Pierre continues this absolutely horrid production, and I see no reason why he won't, he is certainly in the running for the worst leadoff batter in the history of baseball. He is a goddamn out machine. He is stunningly shitty. He is good by no measure except speed.

Juan Pierre is making over $5 mil this year.

Cubs fans: your win now strategy should be to hit Juan Pierre with a fucking bus.