Evolution Or Intelligent Design

God said to Abraham...
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matthew wrote:The answer to your question is that Christianity was founded by a man who claimed to be God. He was able to back this statement up and it is well documented. That is what makes it different from other faiths.


Good grief. I stopped reading here.*

Sorry, but you're totally brainwashed. One day, maybe you will open your eyes. You don't even know the history of your own religion.

Can someone else step in here, it's like talking to a scientologist.

* I read the rest.
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matthew wrote:
The answer to your question is that Christianity was founded by a man who claimed to be God. He was able to back this statement up and it is well documented. That is what makes it different from other faiths. Furthermore, I don't think it is even accurate to posit faith in Christ as a "belief-system". The person of Christ, being both Almighty God and man, is infinitely more than a teacher of truth. He IS Truth, and he told his disciples as much in no uncertain langauge......you'll notice that Christ never minces words in the gospel....he illustrates with parables but when He makes a point he doesn't dance around. Unlike say Socrates or Confucius or Mohammed or Buddha, Christ explicitly said to look to Him not simply because He SPEAKS the truth, but because He IS Truth.

The point is that the person of Jesus Christ, particularly in the Mass, is the center, the focus, the hub whathaveyou of faith.......not morals and dogmas and institutional persons and rubrics. Those serve their purpose, but only as much as they have their source in Him.

Growing in faith in Jesus Christ through the church He founded is simply a process of slowly opening ones eyes to the real shape of things in the world rather than subscribing to some "belief-system". It's a lifelong process though and not without pitfalls. That too is what makes it different and in fact OTHER than a mere "belief system".



Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:56 am:
Andrew L. wrote:
matthew wrote:
I have no weltanschauung to speak of



This, you of course cannot possibly realize, is the ideological position, par excellence.

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matthew wrote:The answer to your question is that Christianity was founded by a man who claimed to be God. He was able to back this statement up and it is well documented.


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I think one of the most interesting things about the Christian religion is the cyclical nature of the believe system and the ability of the believer to perform some serious mental gymnastics to overcome the massive contradictions and historical inconstancies of the text. Bizarre as it seems to the rest of us, the more we try and convince Matty that he is living in a dream world the more this will reaffirm his beliefs. From a psychological point-of-view this is very interesting and something I’m sure that would be worth and has been studied.

As a life long atheist without a single second of doubt in 30 years I find Matty's double-think amazing, in a way. To be presented with evidence, even on a first-hand level, that so clearly and logically contradict the mythology of the Christian cult, but somehow managing to twist this, divert and assimilate it into his reality is a true “leap of faith”. It shows how amazing that the evolution of the human brain is, Bravo Matty.

Here are some interesting sites from former Christians.

The Infidel Guy. This one has a great podcast, which has guest such as former church Ministers, scientists and authors

Ex Christian is very interesting as well.
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Gramsci wrote:I think one of the most interesting things about the Christian religion is the cyclical nature of the believe system and the ability of the believer to perform some serious mental gymnastics to overcome the massive contradictions and historical inconstancies of the text. Bizarre as it seems to the rest of us, the more we try and convince Matty that he is living in a dream world the more this will reaffirm his beliefs. From a psychological point-of-view this is very interesting and something I’m sure that would be worth and has been studied.

I've heard this referred to as a "closed" belief system, although I'm certain that there is a more technical term for it. Such systems are marked by circular beliefs that force major assumptions be taken before the whole worldview makes sense. In the Christian case these are known collectively as "faith."

These systems also usually have a means of explaining away any and all criticisms of the system, usually through a categorical dismissal of the viewpoints and motivations (conscious or not) of those making the criticism, rather than bothering to address the meat of the criticism or argument itself (they're unbelievers, they're bourgeois, etc), which would often be impossible. As is often the case, hijacking humans' natural suspiscion of the threat posed by the unnamed "other" is an easy thing for these systems to do.

Christianity shares these traits with most other modern religions and all cults. Freudian theory and Marxism also share many of these traits; whether they are actually "belief systems" is another subject entirely. I would contend it depends on the individual "believer" in question.
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Gramsci wrote:
sunlore wrote:
matthew wrote:
I have no weltanschauung to speak of


Did this guy really say "weltanschauung"?

I cringe, Mattheus!


He sure did, and I'm not in the least bit surprised... and you were?


It was more like... You know when you have a really bad toothache or something and you can't stop rubbing your tongue against the painful spot? It was more like that.

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Nice post Endo!

Great to have some reasoned view points.

One of greatest escapes for the theist seems to be the sudden shift from "fact" when it fits with the text's -in this case the Bible's- cosmology, to the "unknowable" when faced with situations like, for example, the painful slow death of a very small child. All of a sudden this becomes "God's will" and part of some greater plan we cannot understand. But when its a Gay man dying painfully of AIDS this is "knowable" it is God's will because the God of the Christian Bible hates gay people.

Interesting stuff Endo.

Keep them coming people.
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