Gramsci wrote:rachael wrote:dabrasha wrote:"For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire..."
(Koran 76:1-5)
"We have in store for the unbelievers heavy fetters and a blazing fire, choking food and harrowing torment: on the day when the earth shall quiver with all its mountains, and the mountains crumble into heaps of shifting sand."
(Koran 73:12 )
"Woe on that day to the disbelievers! Begone to the Hell which you deny! Depart into the shadow that will rise high in three columns, giving neither shade nor shelter from the flames, and throwing up sparks as huge as towers, as bright as yellow camels...Eat and enjoy yourselves awhile. You are wicked men..."
(Koran 77:20-77:50 )
This in no way explains what I was asking, because all modern religeons have these types of texts. Thanks, but I'm looking for a rational reason why people would torch buildings over cartoons.
Well, once you step of the reality platform into the realm of the nonexistent, i.e. believing in God, the rest just kind of flows naturally.
exactly. there can be no rational explanation for this as this is a purely religous matter. you either believe your gawd feels offended by a drawning of him and this is your duty to fight with the author of it and the people backing him up, or you don't.
i agree with most of what has been said here (those cartoons are stupid, but the right to print them is not negotiable). i'd like to add a few points:
old testament clearly says any representation(drawning, sculpulture, anything) of jahwe is forbidden. some of catholics uh 'fractions" still obey this law, roman catholics obviously don't.
it took a long time for western civilization to seperate the church and the state. i have no idea if muslims are ever going to accomplish that, but it's crucial for us (western civilization) not to step back by a centimeter. freedom of expresion is on the most important values of our culture and if they have problems with it they can, well, fuck off. lt's like taking your shoes off when you you're entering a mosque, or wearing a chador on the street of a strick muslim country (for women, obviously). we have to respect it when we are in their land, an they have to respect our values when they are here.
will they ever learn that a mahomett-bashing cartoon is not a crime, or that this is totally unapropriate to demand an apology from a goverment of a country it was print in, i don't know. (by the way, it clearly show the distance between those two cultures). but this is not our problem. this is why i totally support reprininting this cartoon, despite the fact i find it moronic, offensive, unapropriate and no funny at all.
and another issue: will the eastern and western civilization will co-exists without at least one major military conflict in (near?) future? i highly doubt it, and im glad this our side who have the nukes.
