Angus Jung wrote:
I even think "Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid" is good.

Why do you say "even," Angus? My roommate recently asked me to netflix this for him. Usually I never watch films like this. They don't seem to hold my attention for very long.

Not that it really matters, but is there some sort of general consensus that Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid is one of his lesser films? The academics providing the commentary didn't seem to think so.

punch_the_lion wrote:Warren Oates was the greatest character actor of his generation.

Take the word "character" out and you're there.

Angus Jung wrote:
I even think "Pat Garrett and Billy The Kid" is good.

H-GM wrote:Why do you say "even," Angus?

I can't remember. It's really good.

When I said 'instructive' I meant plot-forwarding AND character-defining. Death Wish I and II have brutal, graphic rape scenes, especially the latter. No real character exposition results and the rape is as crude a plot forwarding mechanism as there is. In Straw Dogs, for instance, not only are we forced to make decisions or interpretations of what rape is, of the relationship that exists between power, comfort, sex, personal satisfaction, and violence, but we get background and foreground along with character development. The rape is central to an understanding of all the characters and the grey haze in which they operate.

CROSS OF IRON

Not crap.

Not crap.

Straw Dogs is my favorite. Not for the faint-of-heart, but a classic example of a suspense film nonetheless.....

I've only seen Straw Dogs, but I'll vote Not Crap simply based on that movie alone. It was delightfully disturbing.

n.c. wrote:Misogynist Crap.

This remark clearly illustrates that you haven't seen enough Peckinpah films. Look at the characters and how women are treated in Ride the High Country, The Ballad of Cable Hogue or Junior Bonner. Totally opposite in tone. Peckinpah was a true iconoclast and a complex man with his rich body of work reflecting that . Not Crap, slight wf for The Killer Elite, Convoy and The Osterman Weekend but they are still entertaining.

excellent film maker.

so not crap.

run joe, run wrote:(Also I urge people to check out Ride The High Country, one of his early westerns. It's sad and great, a definite prototype for The Wild Bunch.)

I just watched this. 'Twas indeed magnificent. "All I want is to enter my house justified."

Tomorrow night, Ballad Of Cable Hogue.