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scott wrote:That's the whole point of this thread. You don't seem to spend much time studying particle physics, though, huh?


no. i'm an English major. i appreciate what you have to say. you can tell me i misunderstood you, or even that i'm wrong without being a jackass.
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stewie wrote:Graffiti: "Heisenberg may have been here."

Cop pulls Heisenberg over and asks "Do you know how fast you were going, sir?", to which he responds, "No, but I know exactly where I am".


stewie, I am geeky enough to find both of these very funny. Cheers!

Regarding how absurd we can find these ideas, how they seem to fly against common sense, I think this is only because our brains are hardwired to interpret the world on our particular scale. Flies read the world another way. A giant space gorilla would read the world another way.

When I think about how old the universe is, how big it is, how many angels you can fit on a pin, it disturbs me. Not as much as for some, as I've some acquaintance with cosmology and various branches of physics (fleeting - I was a chemist). The same applies to thinking about the Uncertainty Principle, wave/particle duality, Bell's Theorem, or any other concept that works on a complete different scale - our minds are such that they have great difficulty processing these ideas. They've never had to. Our idea of common sense on such subjects is flawed, or at least incomplete.

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sparky wrote:The same applies to thinking about the Uncertainty Principle, wave/particle duality, Bell's Theorem, or any other concept that works on a complete different scale - our minds are such that they have great difficulty processing these ideas. They've never had to. Our idea of common sense on such subjects is flawed, or at least incomplete.


Ironically, this is EXACTLY the answer that religious folk will give if you say "There is so much contradictory stuff in the bible. It doesn't make sense". EXACT same answer.
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scott wrote:
sparky wrote:The same applies to thinking about the Uncertainty Principle, wave/particle duality, Bell's Theorem, or any other concept that works on a complete different scale - our minds are such that they have great difficulty processing these ideas. They've never had to. Our idea of common sense on such subjects is flawed, or at least incomplete.


Ironically, this is EXACTLY the answer that religious folk will give if you say "There is so much contradictory stuff in the bible. It doesn't make sense". EXACT same answer.


True scott, but the contradictory stuff in the Bible cannot be proved, making the contradictions pull the stories apart without the intervention of the supernatural. With physics, someone smarter than me can sit me down, and given time (a lot of time), can prove to me that these theories fly.

I suppose what I'm saying is that with a religious text you are relying on faith that a story is true, whereas with scientific theories you critically interrogate mathematical steps for flaws.

Or: the common sense that these theories stymy stems from a very particular perspective of the world. With some effort we can demonstrate that this perspective is a limited one (e.g. our eyes only sense a very narrow range of frequencies, we perceive time in human life spans, etc). With religion, we are talking about pulling apart stories which ultimately can ignore rational inspection, because there's the get-out clause of the supernatural, or the not understandable. We can understand this science if we're lucky enough to be smart enough. It's knowable.

Are you guys working by the way? I'm tired and having to review a bloody audit file and am losing all will to either move from my seat or finish the job in hand. Hence, I'm back here. Whinge.

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sparky wrote:True scott, but the contradictory stuff in the Bible cannot be proved, making the contradictions pull the stories apart without the intervention of the supernatural. With physics, someone smarter than me can sit me down, and given time (a lot of time), can prove to me that these theories fly.

I suppose what I'm saying is that with a religious text you are relying on faith that a story is true, whereas with scientific theories you critically interrogate mathematical steps for flaws.

Or: the common sense that these theories stymy stems from a very particular perspective of the world. With some effort we can demonstrate that this perspective is a limited one (e.g. our eyes only sense a very narrow range of frequencies, we perceive time in human life spans, etc). With religion, we are talking about pulling apart stories which ultimately can ignore rational inspection, because there's the get-out clause of the supernatural, or the not understandable. We can understand this science if we're lucky enough to be smart enough. It's knowable.

Are you guys working by the way? I'm tired and having to review a bloody audit file and am losing all will to either move from my seat or finish the job in hand. Hence, I'm back here. Whinge.


Well, I know it's foolish of me, but I could suggest that something like 95% or 99% of the people on this planet have no means by which they could verify or understand cutting-edge science, and they have to take it on faith. And it is indeed faith. It's faith in a system (science) and faith in the people that are acting in that system. For those of us fortunate enough to be able to understand Quantum Mechanics when it's explained, things are different. But for most people, faith is the force by which science is trusted.

A better example might be the moon landing. None of us has any way of verifying that it happened. But we all trust that since someone showed us video footage and told us that man was on the moon, then it must be true. This is certainly faith, as none of us has the means by which to verify the truth of the matter.

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