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Fuck.

scott wrote:

gio wrote:

geiginni wrote:

unarmedman wrote:There only so much you can do with a 12-tone musical system.
And guess what?

It's all been done.

So who's going to be the first indie rock band to build and play quarter-tone guitars?

Well, electronics instead of guitars, there's Four-Tet.

Is that just a name, or do they base their music on a 4-tone scale?

I assumed Four-Tet is like Quatre-Tete, a really stupid band name making a play on the word "forehead". Kinda like Cabeza Fria was doing back in the 90's with "head cold".

I don't think so...

I believe a four-tet is a four-tone scale, wherein an octave is divided into four equally spaced frequency intervals. The western 12-tone scale is 12-tet (12 semitones) and a quarter-tone scale is a 24-tet. So each interval of a 4-tet scale would be 2^(x/4) times the fundamental, where x is the step in the scale (1, 2, or 3).

I think. I just learnt 'bout this.

Salut, Tommydski! Your thread gets me a-learnin!

edit #3: "tet" stands for "tone equal temperament" (meaning evenly spaced tones) as in "12-tone equal temperament" and appears to be written as 'tET'

gio wrote:

scott wrote:

gio wrote:

geiginni wrote:

unarmedman wrote:There only so much you can do with a 12-tone musical system.
And guess what?

It's all been done.

So who's going to be the first indie rock band to build and play quarter-tone guitars?

Well, electronics instead of guitars, there's Four-Tet.

Is that just a name, or do they base their music on a 4-tone scale?

I assumed Four-Tet is like Quatre-Tete, a really stupid band name making a play on the word "forehead". Kinda like Cabeza Fria was doing back in the 90's with "head cold".

I don't think so...

I believe a four-tet is a four-tone scale, wherein an octave is divided into four equally spaced frequency intervals. The western 12-tone scale is 12-tet (12 semitones) and a quarter-tone scale is a 24-tet. So each interval of a 4-tet scale would be 2^(x/4) times the fundamental, where x is the step in the scale (1, 2, or 3).

I think. I just learnt 'bout this.

Salut, Tommydski! Your thread gets me a-learnin!

edit #3: "tet" stands for "tone equal temperament" (meaning evenly spaced tones) as in "12-tone equal temperament" and appears to be written as 'tET'

I just thought it was a play on the word "quartet", as in, a quartet is a group of four musicians, so, like, you know..."four-tet"

gio wrote:

scott wrote:

gio wrote:

geiginni wrote:

unarmedman wrote:There only so much you can do with a 12-tone musical system.
And guess what?

It's all been done.

So who's going to be the first indie rock band to build and play quarter-tone guitars?

Well, electronics instead of guitars, there's Four-Tet.

Is that just a name, or do they base their music on a 4-tone scale?

I assumed Four-Tet is like Quatre-Tete, a really stupid band name making a play on the word "forehead". Kinda like Cabeza Fria was doing back in the 90's with "head cold".

I don't think so...

I believe a four-tet is a four-tone scale, wherein an octave is divided into four equally spaced frequency intervals. The western 12-tone scale is 12-tet (12 semitones) and a quarter-tone scale is a 24-tet. So each interval of a 4-tet scale would be 2^(x/4) times the fundamental, where x is the step in the scale (1, 2, or 3).

I think. I just learnt 'bout this.

Salut, Tommydski! Your thread gets me a-learnin!

edit #3: "tet" stands for "tone equal temperament" (meaning evenly spaced tones) as in "12-tone equal temperament" and appears to be written as 'tET'

For extra points, does any society use an even tempered quarter-tone based scale? If so, I'm not sure I'd want to hear it...

gio wrote:I believe a four-tet is a four-tone scale, wherein an octave is divided into four equally spaced frequency intervals. The western 12-tone scale is 12-tet (12 semitones) and a quarter-tone scale is a 24-tet. So each interval of a 4-tet scale would be 2^(x/4) times the fundamental, where x is the step in the scale (1, 2, or 3).

I think. I just learnt 'bout this.

Salut, Tommydski! Your thread gets me a-learnin!

edit #3: "tet" stands for "tone equal temperament" (meaning evenly spaced tones) as in "12-tone equal temperament" and appears to be written as 'tET'

That would make it kinda like a stripped down version of a diminished scale. It would have a minor third, a tritone, and a major 6th. It sounds like, more or less, heavy metal. Diminished scales are pretty cool. They sound just like heavy metal.

If you take a "four tet" scale and add in the major 2nd, you would have everything you need to play the main riff in this song. And then, for the second riff (that comes in at 2:10), you'd need the entire 12 tET scale, cause it's a true "12-tone" riff.

Boduf Songs

Holy Sons

Growing

Earth

Dysrhythmia ...seconded

Mission of Burma!

Dresden Dolls

Deerhoof

Queens of the Stone Age (don't hate me)

White Stripes (just kidding)

If Tom Waits, Nick Cave, John Zorn, Sonic Youth and (until recently) Derek Bailey can keep making music then I don't think us kids can complain about the death of rock n roll or whatever.

scott wrote:I will bet you, right now, every penny that I have, that if you checked in with highschool kids, they listen to a *shitload* of new music. The coolest kids probably listen to bands you don't even know about, some of which you might even like.

Music didn't change. YOU did. You're old, and jaded, and cynical, and you've been there, and you've done that, and it's pretty sad.

There is a band playing tonight at a VFW in the suburbs that is gonna fucking tear it up. Y'know which band I'm talking about? No. You don't.

See?

I have thought about this problem for a few years now, and have come to the conclusion that I don't care.

If, when I was 17 in '88, some old guy told me that what I was listening to was a bunch of crap and offered to make me some real good mixtapes from the 50's, I woulda told him to fuck off and leave me with my NoMeansNo and Motorhead, thank you.

At that time there probably were a bunch of old dudes, thinking that modern music was just boring, noise, and nothing like it was in their day.

Now I am that old dude! I hear bands and I condemn them for not absorbing music written 10, 15 years before they were born and not writing music I can identify with.

I bet there is good music being made every day, but because I'm now the old man, I can't properly hear it. I grasp a little of this and that, but it's mostly new-retro stuff (The Fuses, for instance). I have very few records released after, say, 1999. Some stuff I can get onboard with, most I can't.

I'm just guessing that's how it goes. I've got my own thing going as a musician, and it's probably marginalized more than I can guess, but whatever. There's still people my age, and far older, making good music, and so I go buy the new Paul Westerberg et cetera...

This whole 'I'm too old and jaded for new R&R' argument entirely robs it of significant artistic value. It absolutely implies that R&R is no more than a young person's phase which one naturally emerges from blinking into the unpleasantly bright wastelands of one's musical memories.

Pure bullshit.

It also absolutely implies that music R&R is a stylistic carousel; you get on, you get off. You can try to get back on, but you'll only complain that you recognise the horses; better to leave it for those who haven't yet had their turn.

Pure bullshit again.

It also offers a get out of jail free card to 'new musicians' in the sense that it's unreasonable to expect them to do anything fresh or challenging or original since those who might seek to deride a lack of freshness or originality are simply too old, and should have moved-on to obsessive Coltrane collecting and vague senility.

Bullshit again.

Accepting bland retreads is not what inspired punk, or post-punk, or hardcore, or Supertramp. Or Slint hoodies.