flemingL wrote:the clear winner was the AT 4051, but i'de like to keep those for the overheads.

I like the 4051s for overheads in a lot of situations. I find that they have a tendency to overload on loud snare drums (and toms, where they would also sound great otherwise), but sound excellent for brush playing. Have you had any overload issues with them on snare?

Chris Garges
Charlotte, NC

love the 141 on snare. esp. with brushes.

for heavier stuff, nothing beats the senn. 441 in my opinion.