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I bring more anti-semitic lies. Whatever happened to Cpl. Shalit should not be questioned, because it's now history, and history has a very short expiration date in the Middle East, according to what I read here- we should begin the peace process with clean slates as each day dawns. We should only use history when we compare Saddam to Hitler, and to suggest that the war protestors of today lack the sufficient will to sacrifice what they must ( the lives of others ) to occupy Iraq, because,to resist the war for other reasons, that just means you're soft on fascism.

I like when the people who benefit the most from buried history take charge of the curtain used to obscure the history- the world almost begins to make sense. All thanks to the sanitized history.

15 children blown up ( among others ) in Lebanon today trying to escape the IDF. They won't try that again. They might have had the two captured soldiers in their lunchboxes. Now we know for certain that they didn't.

damian lataan in his blog wrote:DID THE PALESTINIANS REALLY DIG A TUNNEL UNDER THE NOSES OF THE ISRAELIS?

I don’t know what has happened to Cpl. Gilad Shalit. I don’t know if he was captured, or, if he was, I don’t know how he was captured. Frankly, I don’t even know that he actually exists apart from the pictures of him that we have all seen. One hopes that these are all questions that will eventually be answered.

I do know, however, that there is something extraordinarily odd about the story the Israeli Defence Force claim is behind his disappearance. In particular it’s the part about the tunnel which I can’t get to grips with.


lataan's blog

What horrible insensitive questions to ask. It's not like a war was started over the incident.
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Gramsci's point kind of gets at the heart of the issue: Israel was not created by war or the natural accumulation of a population over years and years of culture-creating migration, etc. Israel hasn't conquered anyone. They were assissted in a land grab that had been in the works for a generation, they were gifted a border which only they and outsiders agreed with (which is a profound act of violence), and they have been fighting ever since.

Israel is a cool place no doubt, the place in the ME I would most likely want to visit and stay. Beaches, modern cities, beautiful women, and Jewish culture, which has much to recommend it. However, Israel was built in the wrong place. A Jewish state sounds like a great idea, but a Jewish state, created in a most non-democratic fashion, butressed by many thousands of immigrants and billions in foreign aid, erected behind disputed borders and around Muslim holy sites (I realize it is a holy place for Jews, as well), and laid out in the midst of Arab/Muslim lands and majorities, sounds like endless war. The Zionists got what they wanted, everything they expected. They knew that they would have to have a great army and they knew that, given Arab backwardness, it was possible with Western assistance. Israel is, as Gramsci suggests, the result of a strong arm land grab. However, he is wrong to suggest that Israel conquered an enemy or opponent. They repelled, they kept some land. Still, maintaining that land and other safe zones has proven difficult.

One day a piece of destructive, highly mobile technology is going to come along and Israel is going to take a tremendous, staggering hit. It is impossible to believe otherwise. They will never be accepted and everything they do to protect themselves, or retaliate, or expand, or punish, etc., creates more hostility. The greater the military success the deeper the wounds and hatred and taste for revenge that arises on the other side. The very existence of a Jewish state in that area of the world, supported without balance by the US, is a grave affront to millions who support thousands willing to take violent action.

War is diplomacy by another name. Terror is war by another name. Whether it is justified depends on your beliefs, values, understanding of the context, etc.

Neither side is right, per se. It is a land dispute and both have claims they hold very dearly. I find my country's involvement to be distasteful as I think that the initial act of creating Israel was improper on the part of the UN and the other Western powers, especially Britain, which abdicated responsibility. That said, it makes no sense to create and maintain Israel in the way it has been forwarded (land grab, foreign bodies and dollars, religion, war, settlements, harrassment, marginalization of the 'other,' etc.) while also hoping for peace. Israel's claims of of a peace-loving high-ground are propaganda intended for jugheads. The very nature of its creation and maintenance requires violence.

It's in the wrong place.

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Earwicker wrote:
AlBStern wrote:
Earwicker wrote:And, as you are on both sides, do you therefore also agree with the principles of certain Palestinians responses even though you don't agree with their tactics (walking onto crowded buses and blowing themselves and others to smithereens)?


If by principles, you mean protesting the occupation and trying to gain back occupied lands, then no I don't have any problems with it.

If I were them (the Palestinians), I'd encourage massive, ongoing peaceful street protests, sit-ins etc. The civil rights movement all over again. Bring respected speakers in from all over. No guns, no masked militants, no talk of vengeance. Show that they want to live as peaceful neighbors. They just want their rights restored. I have no doubt that large numbers of Israelis would happily join in. Most people want peace. It would send a powerful message. MLK Jr accomplished a lot more than the Black Panthers.

(Hey look everybody, I'm a hippy.)


Then we are hippies together.

This is precisely what they should be doing.

(though I still disagree on your judgement of what the Israelis are doing)
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A perspective on the Shalit capture by IDF reservist Arik Diamant ( that's what his bio states, I admit I'm shocked to find an article this unbiased by an active Israeli soldier ).

arik diamant wrote:Look who's been kidnapped!

Hundreds of Palestinian 'suspects' have been kidnapped from their homes and will never stand trial.

It's the wee hours of the morning, still dark outside. A guerrilla force comes out of nowhere to kidnap a soldier. After hours of careful movement, the force reaches its target, and the ambush is on! In seconds, the soldier finds himself looking down the barrel of a rifle.

A smash in the face with the butt of the gun and the soldier falls to the ground, bleeding. The kidnappers pick him up, quickly tie his hands and blindfold him, and disappear into the night.


Arik Diamant is an IDF reservist and the head of the Courage to Refuse organization.

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What a clusterfuck.

Reading all these arguements. Whether you think Israel should be there or not, it is there, and is not going anywhere. They are armed to the teeth and are not fuckin' around.
They will nuke the living shit out of everything before the give up their land.

Palestinians hate Israel and will not be happy until every single Jew is shoved into the Mediteranian to drown.

The Jews dont give a shit about the Arabs, Palastinians, anybody, as long as they leave Israel the fuck alone. The smell of those ovens in Europe still lingers in a lot of minds in Israel.

The Hezbollah are a bunch of dumb asses if they think they can win this war. They have no air force, no navy, no nukes, just a bunch of hand me down weapons from Syria and Iran.

Syria better watch the fuck out before its bombed/nuked back to the Ottoman empire.
Iran should watch the fuck out too. They all ready took out shit there before. Israel will turn Iran into one giant sheet of glass if it chooses to do so.

What are these people thinking? It's like calvary on horses going against tanks and flame throwers. What the fuck do the Hezbollah think they are going to win? They think Israel is going to pack up it's belongings and move to Nevada or the Falkland Islands because they fire some rinky ass dink missles at them.

It does not matter what side you are on, Israel is gonna fuck some shit up real bad. The Hezbollah might think that they have the rightous stick, but when they whack the Hornet nest with it, it aint no piniatta party of freedom. It don't make Israel right, or change the fact that the Palestinians got screwed by the British and US after WW2. It just means Israel has the biggest dick in the region and its gonna fuck some shit up.
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