I've only heard the first 30 minutes or so...Google video was being really slow so I'll watch the rest after it downloads.

But the story of where Jones got the sample of molten thermite says a lot about the quality of his work. A woman somewhere had access to a girder from the tower site that was being used to construct some kind of memorial. This was prior to the construction so the girder was just sort of laying around. She noted it had a big dirt clod on it. She decided to clean off the dirt clod....and for some reason she saved the dirt. Her own 9/11 thing perhaps.

Anyway, after she read some of Jones' stuff she contacted him and offered him some of the dirt. It was in this dirt that Jones found *small* (thumbnail sized it looked to me) flakes of metal. This is what he had analyzed.

This is a chain of evidence that would be laughed out of any court. How does he know her story is true? How does she know the dirt was from the 9/11 site and not added during the subsequent moving of the girder? How many stops did this girder make along the way? Was it first trucked off to a landfill somewhere?

galanter wrote:This is a chain of evidence that would be laughed out of any court. How does he know her story is true? How does she know the dirt was from the 9/11 site and not added during the subsequent moving of the girder? How many stops did this girder make along the way? Was it first trucked off to a landfill somewhere?

This is an excellent point if you're looking to establish 9/11 as an inside job: the "chain of evidence" you refer to. It's kinda *astonishing*. The govt has taken the initiative to collect all the tapes from surveillance cameras at hotels and businesses around the pentagon, which they analyze (in theory) and guard under lock and key and don't release even though they really should... and yet the evidence from the trade centers is... where? "Trucked off to a landfill" is one of your suggestions. All I've ever heard was that it was removed very expeditiously by a mafia contractor and then melted for scrap. I can't imagine either of those things are true... what *actually* happened with it?

Please put forth a plausible explanation as to why all of this critical evidence of one of the most relevant crimes in the history of the modern world would be destroyed or put in a landfill or taken off to wherever. Why was it not collected and analyzed like the remains of the crashed Space Shuttle(s), or TWA 800, or etc, which are significantly less relevant.

So you're feeling good about Jones' "proof" that thermite was used?

I thought you thought the world was ultimately unknowable?

galanter wrote:So you're feeling good about Jones' "proof" that thermite was used?

I thought you thought the world was ultimately unknowable?

This Mr G, is not answering the question.

galanter wrote:So you're feeling good about Jones' "proof" that thermite was used?

I thought you thought the world was ultimately unknowable?

On the first, I didn't say anything even remotely resembling that in my post, did I? Please find where I affirmed anyone's "proof" of anything in that post.

And as far as things being unknowable, I have a very good grasp on what is or is not ultimately knowable.

For example, things like "the true motivation of group of people XYZ" is something that is maybe never knowable, unless you are a part of that group, you have been in all manner of discussions with the rest of the group, you have all spoken very openly and honestly and deliberately about what your motivation is, nobody lied, nobody had hidden agendas, etc.

As far as the true motivation of any group in the middle east, Phil, I have no problem saying that it is an unknowable piece of information to (probably all of) the people on the EA Forum, and (probably all of ) the people writing stuff on the internet, etc.

If you wanna get philosophical, and make generalizations about what is or is not knowable, I'd be interested in going there. Start up a thread for that purpose, and we can have at it.

Clearly, some "Molech" worshippers done took all of the evidence. One of my favorite parts of this CSPAN broadcast was the part where Alex Jones forgot the title of his own video, which is amazing considering the fact that he exists for the sole purpose of promoting that garbage.

P.S. - Has anyone read the Steven E. Jones article that I posted a link to?

clocker bob wrote:Saturday, July 29th, CSPAN will air day two of the recent Los Angeles 9/11 conference. It will be 98 degrees in Chicago on Saturday and it will be 122 degrees in Baghdad for the soldiers and civilians trapped in the war the neo-cons started with 9/11.

The American Scholars Symposium: 9/11 + The Neo-Con Agenda was covered by Reuters, The Washington Post, ABC & NBC Affiliates, CSPAN, and even more independent media outlets from all across the globe.

The CSPAN broadcast of the Panel Discussion held on the second day of the conference which featured Webster Tarpley, Steven Jones, Bob Bowman, James Fetzer, & Alex Jones will be on Saturday, July 29th at 7:00pm cst & then the program will be re-broadcast at 10:00pm cst.

Hey Bob....I watched some of this on CSPAN on Saturday 7.29.06 evening- just stumbled upon it. Fetzer is insane in both what he says and how he says it..........if you give the slightest bit of credibilty to someone like him, so are you.

Just found that the evidence from the Moussaoui trial was released to the public. You can see it here. Moussaoui's plea is an interesting read, and don't miss his report cards.

It's got some nasty shit in it. I found it through CNN

matthew wrote:Fetzer is insane in both what he says and how he says it..........if you give the slightest bit of credibilty to someone like him, so are you.

Earwicker wrote:

galanter wrote:So you're feeling good about Jones' "proof" that thermite was used?

I thought you thought the world was ultimately unknowable?

This Mr G, is not answering the question.

No. This is me not allowing someone else to change the subject rather than address the issue at hand.