(Moved from Minor Threat thread)

toomanyhelicopters wrote:i been listening to it (_The Argument_ - ed)quite a bit lately. i think it's got some definite weaknesses to it. like the production is really clean and tame. and the tempos, mostly they sound the same, and just a little too slow for brendan to open up on them. perfect for the strings, but a little slow for the drums to really shine. and the inclusion of, what is that, cello or something? and the whistling. the freakin whistling is AWFUL! and that some of the finest elements to it are retreads of old fugazi songs. and it just sounds a little tired. which would make sense, what with them having been doing it for so long and all.

Dylan, i wanna call freudian slip on you though. "loved it". very past tense. very discontinued-sounding.

when i first listened to the Argument, i was like, "hrm". and i gave it a couple listens, and was pretty non-plussed. and i shelved it for, well i guess it's almost 3 years now. and i've been listening a bunch lately, probably on my third time through, digesting it and all. i wanna say like 3 songs that are pretty cool, and then several that are alright. but it definitely doesn't shake me up like their older stuff did.

I think _Argument_ is a perfectly natural progression from the previous albums. There's a lot of that album simmering in _Instrument_ and _End Hits_. That's another reason I enjoy Fugazi so much - they are constantly on the move creatively.

Steady Diet is a weird record to hear first by them. It was my first purchase by them when I was 13. I didn't quite know what to think of it at the time. Then I got Repeater and it all made sense to me. So NOT CRAP that I give them an A+ for something or another.

Dylan, i agree with the progressive aspect of the music. it is, however, my own opinion that the strength of the later work is in its proximity to the earlier work, which i favor. i think that in terms of their being interesting and compelling for me, musically, making music that i'm intangibly drawn to and want to listen to, they peaked with red medecine. that was plenty experimental right there. i don't feel that their later work really progressed a whole lot further than that album, although ian certainly did expand his vocalizing vocabulary more and more toward the end. but again, i would contend that in the end, it maybe wasn't so much *progress* as it was *change*. when i hear a band referred to as having progressed, i think there's an implicit sense of forward movement. and i think with fugazi, the candle burned 5,000 times as bright, and for way longer than anyone could ever expect of a band. but i don't think it was moving forward nearly as much in the end as it was in the beginning, and it almost seems to be a more lateral move, maybe even a decline, again, in terms of this somewhat intangible quality. i still have massive respect for them, for what they've done as artists, for what they've done for music, and even just for the fact that they've made songs that have changed the way lots of people look at music and even look at themselves. but i still think in the end, things seem tired, and some of the best parts are the rehashings. haven't we all been in positions that feel like that? relationships, bands, whatever? where the end becomes a combination of moving on into something that isn't as amazing as where we came from, while still having something inside that's reaching back to what once was? to me it just seems a natural part of the lifecycle of a band that isn't comprised of drunks or druggies or haters. eventually the only way to move forward is to move on to something different. maybe.

i heart fugazi. the argument is better than the vast majority of albums out there. but it's one of my least favorite fugazi albums, if not least favorite. MUSICALLY. as far as lyrics and subject matter, i'm not focusing on that. intangible soul-touching, that's what i'm talking about.

odd, i just finished reading the chapter in "our band...."

i totally respect and admire their approach and success in their approach, however, the fact remains: i simply do not identify with the messages and most of all, i do not like the music. however, i wouldnt feel right calling it CRAP or voting CRAP.


so, not crap.

I thought you had gone for good, e-cliquer.

Dylan wrote:I thought you had gone for good, e-cliquer.

Maybe he had a revelation i.e. he saw a band that melted/slayed his face off. Or maybe he's just lonely.

Doude,

Fulgazi is total Crap.

Fulgazi wrote:SynopsisFulgazi (foo'-ga-zi) -Definition: Phony, fake and false.

Two youths go through the summer with no money, until one of them comes up with a scheme which pulls them into a world they want no part of. Stacey (Shaun Cruz), a dreamer, and his lifelong friend Dega (Talent) come up with a plan to make easy money for the summer. When the plan backfires they have to figure out what went wrong. Flanked by Clock (Kool Bubba Ice) and Danny (Smokey), Stacey and Dega are hired to drop off a package…contents is Fulgazi (counterfeit) money. At the same time, Stacey falls in love with his neighbor, Professor Julian Hill (Tiffany Webb), who inspires him to back to college. But Stacey has one thing on his mind...how to escape from the neighborhood gangster, Bulletmark by first getting past the local bullies, the Boxer Brothers, Ballantino and a paranoid, schizophrenic, gun-wielding counterfeiter named Steam.

Counterfeit money, bullies, gangsters, undercover detectives and constant pressure from the hood calling them Fulgazi. With a well-rounded cast and an on the edge of your seat ending, this comedy will have you rolling from jump.

Crap.

I know it's not them, but I voted Crap anyway.


Faiz

kerble wrote:Doude,

Fulgazi is total Crap.

Fulgazi wrote:SynopsisFulgazi (foo'-ga-zi) -Definition: Phony, fake and false.

Two youths go through the summer with no money, until one of them comes up with a scheme which pulls them into a world they want no part of. Stacey (Shaun Cruz), a dreamer, and his lifelong friend Dega (Talent) come up with a plan to make easy money for the summer. When the plan backfires they have to figure out what went wrong. Flanked by Clock (Kool Bubba Ice) and Danny (Smokey), Stacey and Dega are hired to drop off a package…contents is Fulgazi (counterfeit) money. At the same time, Stacey falls in love with his neighbor, Professor Julian Hill (Tiffany Webb), who inspires him to back to college. But Stacey has one thing on his mind...how to escape from the neighborhood gangster, Bulletmark by first getting past the local bullies, the Boxer Brothers, Ballantino and a paranoid, schizophrenic, gun-wielding counterfeiter named Steam.

Counterfeit money, bullies, gangsters, undercover detectives and constant pressure from the hood calling them Fulgazi. With a well-rounded cast and an on the edge of your seat ending, this comedy will have you rolling from jump.

Crap.

I know it's not them, but I voted Crap anyway.


Faiz

This, I need to see.

fugazi are the american beatles.
(deliberately provocative statement ahoy!)

it's heart-breaking that i'll never hear the album they recorded with steve though....

unless years from now ian does a mcartney-esque 'kill-taker naked' album of course!!!

"The Album The Recorded with Steve" is a much weaker version of the album "In on the Kill Taker," which is all anybody realy needs to hear.

At the time, I was disappointed that the band didn't use any of the Chicago material, but I should have been disappointed that it wasn't up to their standards. The for-real album is better in almost every way, and nobody's heart should get broken over it.