no major revelations from Q&A last night except Steve was able to explain the dilemma as to why light sometimes acts as a particle and sometimes acts as a wave. Sadly I can't share the answer due to non-disclosure agreements solemnly promised at the show.

(Last night's show was fantastic. It's worth getting to the Vera early tonight -- around 6pmish or so -- to secure yourself a "day of" ticket.. based on last night's show... best I've ever seen them.)

betty wrote: I also know that a small club like that cannot guarantee a touring act what they probably ask for in the contract unless they are selling alcohol to help with the overhead. It was a $10.00 show, after all. The room probably holds no more than 300 people. Shellac likely need to be paid for their efforts, as do the staff of Berbati's.

Shellac does not get paid a guaranteed fee. We simply get a percentage of the door.

The cancellation of the all-ages portion of the show was done only a few days before the show by the liquor commission. Berbati's had their liquor commission rep and a lawyer working on getting the decision reversed right up until the last minute. Everybody involved tried their best. But the bureaucracy won again.

It had nothing to do with money. Only with the liquor commission.

bob

It had nothing to do with money. Only with the liquor commission.

bob

Of course, otherwise there would have been no attempt at an all ages show there in adition to the 21+ from the previous night. I did not mean to infer that you are a group of money-grubbers, only that the general state of the bar circuit relies heavily on alcohol sales at live shows to insure that everybody involved in the production gets paid and the club maybe makes a profit on the event.
Do you know why they (OLCC) went back on the agreement to allow an all ages show at Berbati's?
I truly do appreciate the effort you all put into trying to hold an all ages show and I hope that you will try again some day in our neck of the woods.

betty wrote: I did not mean to infer that you are a group of money-grubbers, only that the general state of the bar circuit relies heavily on alcohol sales at live shows to insure that everybody involved in the production gets paid and the club maybe makes a profit on the event.
Do you know why they (OLCC) went back on the agreement to allow an all ages show at Berbati's?
I truly do appreciate the effort you all put into trying to hold an all ages show and I hope that you will try again some day in our neck of the woods.

I know what you're saying. And thanks for the kind words.

The clubs do make most of their money from the bar. That's true. But it's not like people are being forced to drink. Folks enjoy having a drink while listening to a band.

I don't think the bars started selling liquor to help pay the bills when they hold rock shows. Bars started having entertainment to get people in there to drink. At many of the places we play, the bar is the primary focus of the business. Not the music.

It's a good trade off (except for the bummer of not being allowed in if under 21). As you noted, without the liquor sales to pay the expenses of running the venue it would be difficult to generate enough money at the door at a reasonable ticket price to make it worth a touring band's while.

All ages shows without liquor have to have higher ticket prices or bands that are willing to play for less money than they could make at a club selling the booze. I guess this is all pretty obvious and I'm restating what you've already said.

As for the Oregon Liquor Commission's decision...we really don't know exactly what went on. We were told that it had something to do with a recent series of shootings in that area....maybe trying to keep the kids out of harm's way?

best,
Bob

As for the Oregon Liquor Commission's decision...we really don't know exactly what went on. We were told that it had something to do with a recent series of shootings in that area....maybe trying to keep the kids out of harm's way?

That would be my assumption as well, but there are several all ages venues in the area, one right across the street. We'll probably never know.
Take care and have a good tour,
Raenie Kane

can you guys make sure and do all ages shows whenever you can

i was looking forward to seeing nina nastasia today and now i hear that the place is 21 up

this really sucks

sorry about this non-quality bump

What kind of country is that, where you have to be 21 to get a drink. Or go to see a band in a venue where they sell alkohol.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
I take my cousin to gigs since the lad turned 16. Well, you have to be 16 to get a beer in a bar. He was rather shocked when he was in New York earlier this year and wasn't able to see any bands.
Its a strange world indeed.