Strike On Iran: Trigger For New World Order Conquests?

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Scott Ritter, a former UN weapons inspector and intelligence officer, basically says we are already at war with Iran:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/16/144204

AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about similarities or differences you see between the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq and what’s happening now with Iran?

SCOTT RITTER: The biggest similarity that we need to point out is that in both cases no evidence was put forward to sustain the allegations that are being made. Iraq was accused of having weapons of mass destruction programs, reconstituting chemical, biological, nuclear, long-range ballistic missile programs. There was an inspection process in place that had access, full access to the facilities in question, and no data was derived from these inspections that backed up the Bush administration's allegations. And yet, Iraq was told, it’s not up to the inspectors to find the weapons. It’s up to Iraq to prove they don't exist. Iraq had to prove a negative. And they couldn't. We now know that in 1991, Saddam Hussein had destroyed the totality of his weapons programs. There weren’t any left to find, discover. There was no threat.

We now have Iran. It’s alleged to have a nuclear weapons program. And yet the International Atomic Energy Agency, the inspectors who have had full access to the sites in Iran, have come out and said, “Well, we can’t say that there isn’t a secret program that we don’t know about. What we can say, as a direct result of our investigations, there is no data whatsoever to sustain the Bush administration's claims that there is a nuclear weapons program.” And yet, the Bush administration once again is putting the onus on Iran, saying, “It’s not up to the inspectors to find the nuclear weapons program. It’s up to the Iranians to prove that one doesn’t exist.” Why do we go down this path? Because you can’t prove a negative. There’s nothing Iran can do that will satisfy the Bush administration, because the policy at the end of the day is not about nonproliferation, it’s not about disarmament. It’s about regime change. And all the Bush administration wants to do is to create the conditions that support their ultimate objective of military intervention.


(bold added by me). I'm not posting this as if it's some kind of big revelation that the Bush administration wants to attack Iran, I just thought maybe some other people would be interested in the video.

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jason smith wrote:Scott Ritter


Heard that this morning. The Office of Special Plans ( source of the fake intel on Iraq ) has been reincarnated in the Pentagon to promote the Iran threat, Feith and Wurmsmer and Shulsky and Abrams are still running the show with guidance from Cheney. The US ships will be in the Persian Gulf by the 21st of the month. Special Ops and Rangers, etc., are doing recon inside Iran right now, according to reports.

Best thing Ritter pointed out this morning was how little influence Ahmadinejiad has over Iranian policy- you don't get that picture from the war-crazed networks here. Iran has nothing to gain from taking an aggressive posture towards Israel or the US, so I hope people will at least pause and think about the possibility of a false flag attack if there is an 'incident' over there.

raw story 10/16/06 wrote:The Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), has recently held meetings in Paris with a front man working for Iranian arms dealer and Iran-Contra figure Manucher Ghorbanifar, US and foreign intelligence sources tell RAW STORY.

In July 2005, it was reported that Congressmen Hoekstra had travelled to Paris along with Congressman Curt Weldon (R-PA), the No. 2 Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, to meet with Ghorbanifar front man Fereidoun Mahdavi.

Two former senior intelligence officers and current intelligence sources abroad have now described a more recent meeting between Hoekstra and Mahdavi that took place in Paris sometime between the spring and summer of this year. What is by far of greatest concern to the sources is that accompanying Hoekstra on the trip was Vaughn Forrest, a mysterious character who, like Ghorbanifar, has ties to the Iran-Contra scandal.

A source close to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirmed the meeting as well, but was unable to verify if Forrest made the trip with Hoekstra.

Repeated requests for comment from RAW STORY were not answered by Hoekstra's office.

One source says they believe the meeting to be part of a larger campaign to allegedly create and launder falsified intelligence by planting it with key publications and individuals abroad, in hopes that it will seep back into official American channels as though it were legitimate information, collected by allied intelligence organizations. Such a campaign of disinformation, if it exists, would be difficult to track, precisely because it is designed to mask its origins through other channels.

While other sources could not definitely confirm this aspect of the story, they indicated that they were not surprised by the possibility, identifying the "cooking" of pre-war intelligence on Iraq as an earlier example of such a campaign.

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clocker bob wrote:
...so I hope people will at least pause and think about the possibility of a false flag attack if there is an 'incident' over there.


rayj wrote:Good luck on that. It's about as likely to rain diamonds. I remember hoping something similar when the 9-11 thing happened...


Oh, come on. After the Mexican 'invasion' of Texas and the Maine and the Lusitania and Pearl Harbor and the JFK assassination and the Gulf of Tonkin and the RFK assassination and the MLK assassination and the Malcolm X assassination and OKC and the Cole and 9/11 and London 7/7, we Americans are overdue to solve some major crime quickly and accurately.

After all, we're the greatest nation on Earth, so good at what we do that our freedoms and ethics are despised by evildoers across the globe. Jealous haters.

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rayj wrote:Oh, we probably have a couple of hundred years before we have to eat handfuls of sand. How long did it take Rome to fall? Including the Byzantine PR angle?

Quite a while.


But the Romans didn't have the technology to kill every single living thing on the planet ten times over. They also couldn't communicate with anyone faster then a horse could run or a ship could sail. Today's situation is much different.
it's not the length, it's the gersch

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True, true.

Ah, well. You now have successfully fingered one reason I give for not procreating...

I place some hope in the observation that, while dogs will sometimes eat their own shit, they rarely if ever destroy themselves completely. You are fighting a lot of hard-wiring if you press 'the button'. Plus, the people to worry about want to OWN the world, not destroy it. All of it, anyway...

Maybe we should just start a tent city on the White House lawn...

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rayj wrote: How long did it take Rome to fall? Including the Byzantine PR angle?

Quite a while.


Yeah, but that was pre-internet ( I'm serious, bad news snowballs so much faster when aided by modern technology ). The Roman empire fell from overextending its grasp on territory, imposing a theocracy, and losing its mojo with its subjects- the American empire has committed those same mistakes, plus more mistakes unavailable to the Romans.

It has sacrificed the native economy on the altar of globalism, flooding the world's financial markets with worthless paper backed only by cruise missiles and bullying, and all that worthless paper is circulating through useless speculative markets like options and derivatives instead of actually creating real wealth. That is the empire's biggest mistake- leading the world's economy into a cannibalistic pit of fire that must be fed with new short-term profits that sacrifice long-term solvency.

Also, the American empire has spread arms around the world to friend and foe, it has invented a War On Terror to shield itself from scrutiny, and it has been the prime destroyer per capita of the environment.

The American empire builders can sense that they have had the throttle mashed to the floor for too long- they can smell the burning oil. While I laugh at the current complacency of the average American, the infection of discontent with the system may yet coalesce into mass revolt. That drives the 'police state/ Echelon/ cameras and wiretaps everywhere' mania.

Eventually, the American empire has to implode, or it has to be restrained like a wild dog during a global depression. It cannot evolve into something humane and admirable ever again, not in my opinion. Too much dirty karma laundry.

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