Are you circumcised?

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blinduncledallas wrote:I've heard this retarded statement from US girls too. I'm uncut and I find this offensive. My cock is as nature intended it and is staying that way. I keep him clean and i've never had any problems so far. I do hope that I get to hear this comment coming from an American woman again. I'd just ask her if it is ok to cut off her pussy lips with a toenail clipper and also her tongue as i'm sick of hearing you say "like" like 20 times every sentence. THAT"S "weird and a little off-putting"


That is totally not how you woo American girls. At least not the cool ones I had the pleasure of spending time with.

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Johnny 13 wrote:
blinduncledallas wrote:I've heard this retarded statement from US girls too. I'm uncut and I find this offensive. My cock is as nature intended it and is staying that way. I keep him clean and i've never had any problems so far. I do hope that I get to hear this comment coming from an American woman again. I'd just ask her if it is ok to cut off her pussy lips with a toenail clipper and also her tongue as i'm sick of hearing you say "like" like 20 times every sentence. THAT"S "weird and a little off-putting"


That is totally not how you woo American girls. At least not the cool ones I had the pleasure of spending time with.


There are many cool American girls. I just think it's shallow to judge a guy on a little extra bit of skin on his cock. As long as It's clean, it shouldn't matter.

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About 30% of circumcisions are botched, and they end up cutting some of the nerves and sometimes the cowper's gland (which creates natural lubrication). Since the advent of plumbing, people have been able to clean their willies quite effectively. The American Pediatrics Association recently stopped recommending circumcision.

Ideas die hard, though...

None of the women (or legal teenagers) I have been with have complained. In fact, a lot of them dig it. When the skin is pulled back, the head gets huge and they can really feel it. It's nature's plan. Of course, if neither you or your female partner are interested in pleasure, go ahead and snip it...

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steve wrote:The avenue of transmission being that some orthodox religious groups have the foreskin bitten off, rather than cut off. I'm sorry, I don't remember which religion "enjoys" this practice.


Jesus Krist. I don't know how to think about this one.

Is there video?

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AlBStern wrote:The NIH says to snip.


While I can't dispute the correlation put forth in the article, I have trouble taking that study seriously. I'm totally baffled by that whole study; it treats HIV/AIDS as if it were something that could be created by just a series of events (like Cancer or Alzheimer's). HIV/AIDS is a communicable virus, and there is no mention of the prevelance of it in the partners of those men.

Also, it's possible that men who are willing, as adults, to have part of their penis chopped off are safer with sex in general. If someone is willing to endure a lot of pain and loss of sensitivity/pleasure to possibly decrease their chances of getting HIV/AIDS, chances are they're already having safer sex (fewer partners, monogamous relationships, not fucking people with lesions) than someone who isn't willing to take that "preventative" measure.

bumble wrote:and HIV-positive men to HIV-negative women-->

Specifically, male circumcision reduced by 30 percent the likelihood that the female partner would become infected with the virus that causes AIDS, with 299 women contracting HIV from uncircumcised partners and only 44 women becoming infected by circumcised men.
Review shows male circumcision protects female partners from HIV and other STDs. 2006 Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections (CROI), Feb. 5-Feb. 9, Denver, CO.


I feel like I'm also really missing a piece of information out of this. Semen, the means of transmitting the HIV virus, does not change with circumcision. Scientifically, I don't get how this could happen, but I am only looking at a sentence of a report that is probably tens of pages long. I wish I still had my jstor.org subscription.

Uncut penises are more upkeep - you have to clean them more thoroughly, pull back the hood when you pee, and consistently check it for foreign objects (crumbs, lost change, LEGOs). At the same time, a Ferrari requires more upkeep than a Honda, and most people would rather have a Ferrari.







Actually, I'm sure at least one person will say they'd rather have the Honda, so to preemptively quell that smartass, I will change my analogy to a 10w solid state Silvertone practice amp (the new ones that come in the shitty guitar packs) and a Fender Bassman (the Bassman requires more upkeep but is, like, way better and worth the upkeep). And if you say you'd rather have the Silvertone, then you'd probably rather have a nubby dull penis anyway and I can't argue with you on that.

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I don't know if this has ben posted already, and I don't feel like searching or readin through all of the pages of this thread, but here it is.

From the NYTimes:

H.I.V. Risk Halved by Circumcision, U.S. Agency Finds

By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Circumcision appears to reduce a man’s risk of contracting AIDS from heterosexual sex by half, United States government health officials said yesterday, and the directors of the two largest funds for fighting the disease said they would consider paying for circumcisions in high-risk countries.

The announcement was made by officials of the National Institutes of Health as they halted two clinical trials, in Kenya and Uganda, on the ground that not offering circumcision to all the men taking part would be unethical. The success of the trials confirmed a study done last year in South Africa.

AIDS experts immediately hailed the finding. “This is very exciting news,” said Daniel Halperin, an H.I.V. specialist at the Harvard Center for Population and Development, who has argued that circumcision slows the spread of AIDS in the parts of Africa where it is common.

In an interview from Zimbabwe, he added, “I have no doubt that as word of this gets around, millions of African men will want to get circumcised, and that will save many lives.”

Uncircumcised men are thought to be more susceptible because the underside of the foreskin is rich in Langerhans cells, sentinel cells of the immune system, which attach easily to the human immunodeficiency virus, which causes AIDS. The foreskin also often suffers small tears during intercourse.

But experts also cautioned that circumcision is no cure-all. It only lessens the chances that a man will catch the virus; it is expensive compared to condoms, abstinence or other methods; and the surgery has serious risks if performed by folk healers using dirty blades, as often happens in rural Africa.

Circumcision is “not a magic bullet, but a potentially important intervention,” said Dr. Kevin M. De Cock, director of H.I.V./AIDS for the World Health Organization.

Sex education messages for young men need to make it clear that “this does not mean that you have an absolute protection,” said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, an AIDS researcher and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Circumcision should be used with other prevention methods, he said, and it does nothing to prevent spread by anal sex or drug injection, ways in which the virus commonly spreads in the United States.

The two trials, conducted by researchers from universities in Illinois, Maryland, Canada, Uganda and Kenya, involved nearly 3,000 heterosexual men in Kisumu, Kenya, and nearly 5,000 in Rakai, Uganda. None were infected with H.I.V. They were divided into circumcised and uncircumcised groups, given safe sex advice (although many presumably did not take it), and retested regularly.

The trials were stopped this week by the N.I.H. Data Safety and Monitoring Board after data showed that the Kenyan men had a 53 percent reduction in new H.I.V. infection. Twenty-two of the 1,393 circumcised men in that study caught the disease, compared with 47 of the 1,391 uncircumcised men.

In Uganda, the reduction was 48 percent.

Those results echo the finding of a trial completed last year in Orange Farm, a township in South Africa, financed by the French government, which demonstrated a reduction of 60 percent among circumcised men.

The two largest agencies dedicated to fighting AIDS said they would now be willing to pay for circumcisions, which they have not before because there was too little evidence that it worked.

Dr. Richard G. A. Feachem, executive director of the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, which has almost $5 billion in pledges, said in a television interview that if a country submitted plans to conduct sterile circumcisions, “I think it’s very likely that our technical panel would approve it.”

Dr. Mark Dybul, executive director of President Bush’s $15 billion Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, said in a statement that his agency “will support implementation of safe medical male circumcision for H.I.V./AIDS prevention” if world health agencies recommend it.

He also warned that it was only one new weapon in the fight, adding, “Prevention efforts must reinforce the A.B.C. approach — abstain, be faithful, and correct and consistent use of condoms.”

Researchers have long noted that parts of Africa where circumcision is common — particularly the Muslim countries of West Africa — have much lower AIDS rates, while those in southern Africa, where circumcision is rare, have the highest.

But drawing conclusions was always confounded by other regional factors, like strict Shariah law in some Muslim areas, rape and genocide in East Africa, polygamy, rites that require widows to have sex with a relative, patronage of prostitutes by miners, and men’s insistence on dangerous “dry sex” — with the woman’s vaginal walls robbed of secretions with desiccating herbs.

Outside Muslim regions, circumcision is spotty. In South Africa, for example, the Xhosa people circumcise teenage boys, while Zulus do not. AIDS is common in both tribes.

Nelson Mandela’s autobiography, “Long Walk to Freedom,” contains an unnerving but hilarious account of his own Xhosa circumcision, by spear blade, as a teenager. Although he was supposed to shout, “I am a man!” he grimaced in pain, he wrote.

But not all initiation ceremonies are laughing matters. Every year, some South African teenagers die from infections, and the use of one blade on many young men may help spread AIDS.

In recent years, as word has spread that circumcision might be protective, many southern African men have sought it out. A Zambian hospital offered $3 circumcisions last year, and Swaziland trained 60 doctors to do them for $40 after waiting lists at its national hospital grew.

“Private practitioners also do it,” Dr. Halperin said. “In some places, it’s $20; in others, much more. Lots of the wealthy elite have already done it. It prevents S.T.D.’s, it’s seen as cleaner, sex is better, women like it. I predict that a lot of men who can’t afford private clinics will start clamoring for it.” (S.T.D.’s are sexually transmitted diseases.)

Male circumcision also benefits women. For example, a study of the medical records of 300 Ugandan couples last year estimated that circumcised men infected with H.I.V. were about 30 percent less likely to transmit it to their female partners.

Earlier studies on Western men have shown that circumcision significantly reduces the rate at which men infect women with the virus that causes cervical cancer. A study published in 2002 in The New England Journal of Medicine found that uncircumcised men were about three times as likely as circumcised ones with a similar number of sexual partners to carry the human papillomavirus.

The suspected mechanism was the same — cells on the inside of the foreskin were also more susceptible to that virus, which is not closely related to H.I.V.
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