Lemuel Gulliver wrote:I don't know if they officially gained entry into the genre from the American Math Rock Council, but I've always like Windsor for the Derby for this sort of thing. Start with Minnie Greutzfeldt.

WFTD didn't sound mathy the one time I saw them, more like shoegazey. But that was almost ten years ago on Swans' final tour, and I haven't seen them since or heard any of their albums.

MG is definitely mathy to me. Shoegazey too. Are these things mutally exclusive? But are they obscure enough?

Lemuel Gulliver wrote:MG is definitely mathy to me. Shoegazey too. Are these things mutally exclusive? But are they obscure enough?

I was talking about Windsor For The Derby

kerble wrote:12Twelve

I listened to it. I don't know what math rock really is, but I liked this. Seemed to me like heavy jazz. Whatever, I enjoyed it.

LYNX

lemur68 wrote:

Lemuel Gulliver wrote:MG is definitely mathy to me. Shoegazey too. Are these things mutally exclusive? But are they obscure enough?

I was talking about Windsor For The Derby

So was I. [The Minnie Greutzfeldt record.]

Lemuel Gulliver wrote:

lemur68 wrote:

Lemuel Gulliver wrote:MG is definitely mathy to me. Shoegazey too. Are these things mutally exclusive? But are they obscure enough?

I was talking about Windsor For The Derby

So was I. [The Minnie Greutzfeldt record.]

Ohh, ok. Like I said, I only have the one performance a decade ago to go on....

For most people on the planet, "mathrock" will always be associated with the word "obscure".

Oh, and Lynx were great.

You probably know all these bands already and don't think of them as obscure but-

Ilium - gentle mathy stuff rooted firmly in clean toned guitars, elements of Tortoise and Don Caballero I guess.

axe - one man band, most of the music consists of a guitar and a drum kit, loads of fractured guitar lines full of clean tapping and stuff, but with a kind of straight up rock/punk rock injection into some songs, some cool drumming, also some amounts of noisey experimentation and lighter jazzy stuff like Isotope 217

Ijnks - a metal obsessed guitarist and DJ who make this mathy, low end noise, the DJ plays blast beats...mad.

Sleeping People - I think they have a guy from Rumah Sakit, I've only got one of their albums, but it's awesome - not just within the math relms, draws on loads of other influences.

Cancer Conspiracy - a kind of proggy, mathy rock band with some shoe-gazey aspects, they're probably pretty big actually.

Happy Birthday Computer Channel - wild spazzy rock, all the guitars and drums are a mathy mess, jesus lizard type blabbering over the songs.

Confessor/Storm and Stress/Ui/Crime in Choir/Morose/De Garden/Volta Do Mar/Rumah Sakit/Hero of 100 fights/Taste/Piglet - I think these guys are pretty big actually, but there might be someone in there you haven't heard of.

rayj wrote:

carlsaff wrote:

rayj wrote:Pencil

Whoa... I wasn't ready for that...

Saw 'em live way back at Cicero's in St. Louis...have a sticker somewhere, I think. They were great live. Don't know what they have released...

Thanks! That was my first band. And I definitely remember that show. We put out two full-lengths on Grass Records. They're both pretty sad sounding, tho there are some good songs on the last one ("El Toro") and I have toyed with remixing that one and putting it up for download somewhere.

My experiences making crappy-sounding records have been the driving force behind my desire to learn how to make better sounding records, so I guess all of that frustration wasn't for naught.