I want to hear from just one person--one--who would vote for Hillary Clinton.

I've heard my step-mom's family discuss her presidential ambitions before. They're pretty in love with her. I think she'd do well with the women's vote, which is probably not well represented on this board.

Could she win? Probably not.

DrAwkward wrote
"I want to hear from just one person--one--who would vote for Hillary Clinton. I'm convinced that her supposed status as "front-runner" is a media creation based soley on name recognition, because i personally do not know one single liberal or Democrat who wants her on the ticket in any capacity.[/quote]

good point!

hiredgeek wrote:is an obama/clinton or clinton/obama ticket way too crazy?

That ticket is too radical for even these times. There will probably be a white female vice president to break the patriarcal barrier before there is a female or minority president.

hiredgeek wrote:is an obama/clinton or clinton/obama ticket way too crazy?

You know what would be awesome? Obama/Richardson. Get two minorities in there. F'yeah!

unarmedman wrote:

I want to hear from just one person--one--who would vote for Hillary Clinton.

I've heard my step-mom's family discuss her presidential ambitions before. They're pretty in love with her. I think she'd do well with the women's vote, which is probably not well represented on this board.

Could she win? Probably not.

Heh, i'm dating a woman who's even more liberal than i am, and she hates Hillary. I suppose there might be a group of moderate females out there who might flock to her, but i bet there are just as many average middle-of-the-road women out there who can't stand the idea of a woman who didn't dump her cheating husband (another theory i stole from the girl i'm seeing).

caix wrote:You know what would be awesome? Obama/Richardson. Get two minorities in there. F'yeah!

Actually, those are my top two favorite candidates. I'd be all over that ticket.

BadComrade wrote:

caix wrote:

Yes, it is uncanny the way that people are flocking to him. He has an eerie magnetism. I watched his speech, and I was almost spellbound. He said ALL of the right things. Even the tv commentators said that they had never heard such a good speech at a convention before. I'm going with my gut on this one. My sister and I both feel something "spooky" about this guy, but can't quite figure out what it is. It is odd that strangers come up to him on the street. Why would they do that, unless they were drawn to him.

Translation: he's black.

He's white, too.

Jesse Jackson already did the Rainbow Coalition thing. Just goes to show -this guy's got no new ideas to bring to Washington.

Three reactions here, tangentially related to the topic (I think):

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Andrew L. wrote:Here's a (question-begging) question: is the average American voter too cynical or too idealistic.

I'd say the answer is both.

I think the average U.S. citizen/voter is cynical and idealistic. 'Too' implies a frame of reference. The definitions of that particular reference, and the language those definitions are couched in, are the battleground of modern politics. Of course you know that...excuse the condescension...

-Maybe it's due to my background, but I'm very much under the impression that the election of a black president would trigger something like a civil war. Believe me...there are a lot of people back in my home state that would not think twice about taking up arms and going partisan. Sad, but much more true than most of the kind souls I know can even imagine.

-How do you define legitimate political experience? There are the nuts and bolts of the political process, and there is 'real politicking'. I'm of the opinion that if we are going to support a much-needed serious political change in a positive direction, well, that direction lies in opposition to what we would really define as 'real politicking' experience.

I've always been disturbed by the fact that politics are seen as something only able to be tackled by well-trained professionals, privy to details your average joe shouldn't even dream of having access to. Well, I don't buy that. Politics should be (on Mars, or wherever else things make some sort of sense) the extension of the will of the people. It is nothing more than a series of value-judgements, really. Practical experience with a specific issue on a nuts-and-bolts/direct level would be useful, but not entirely necessary, for a political office. Whom that particular office decides to utilize as advisors, well, of course. But...'political experience'? What does that mean? How to consult with lawyers on how to address PAC banquet gifts? Public oratory skills? 'Moral values'?

rayj wrote:I've always been disturbed by the fact that politics are seen as something only able to be tackled by well-trained professionals, privy to details your average joe shouldn't even dream of having access to. Well, I don't buy that. Politics should be (on Mars, or wherever else things make some sort of sense) the extension of the will of the people. It is nothing more than a series of value-judgements, really. Practical experience with a specific issue on a nuts-and-bolts/direct level would be useful, but not entirely necessary, for a political office. Whom that particular office decides to utilize as advisors, well, of course. But...'political experience'? What does that mean? How to consult with lawyers on how to address PAC banquet gifts? Public oratory skills? 'Moral values'?

I agree with you. Whatcha gonna do? It's been going on for hundreds of years?

How many other professions are staffed by people who try to get hired by pointing out their competitors flaws rather than extolling their own virtues?

As someone who secretly watches politics very closely...while I fear that a run will make him look very foolish/turn him into an unappealing John Edwards type figure...Obama is a major departure from politics as usual. Do you really want another election in which both of the candidates voted for the Iraq war? Do you really want Hillary "The Opportunist" Clinton as our president? He just confirmed that he's forming an exploratory committee. I say good for him. Good for us. I hope he doesn't fuck up in the worst way. But Hillary will take him down in the primaries.