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Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

11 by patk_Archive
alandeus wrote:
And finally he retracted his statement.


This was the example that I was thinking also. Thanks for pointing it out. If any of the other Dems would have stood behind Durbin they could have dissolved the topic, but they left him out to fry.

Their[GOP] machine is like a fire. It starts with one little spark and another and before you know it the fire is a smoldering, suffocating talking point.

Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

12 by clocker bob_Archive
SchmutZ wrote: this effectively truncates the entire left side, leaving a new spectrum from the center to the right.


100% correct. Because of the media:

democracy now wrote:JEFF COHEN: I was inside as deep as a progressive media critic has ever gotten, and what I found at places like CNN and MSNBC, the number one fear among the working reporters, the producers is of doing anything that could get them or their channel accused of being liberal. And I saw the spectrum that’s constructed. The spectrum of debate is center to right.

And, you know, people blame that on FOX News -- Hannity & Colmes, a phony GE-to-GM spectrum -- but it was really CNN and PBS that invented that years before there was a FOX News. So, in the book, I describe how that gets constructed and why, and why almost half of the political spectrum is kept out of political debates on a regular basis on TV news, especially cable.

AMY GOODMAN: Explain how it happens. And you were also a producer for Donahue, for the Phil Donahue show.

JEFF COHEN: Well, we were trying to change the situation at Donahue. But, I mean, the people that were on TV, they have a corporate view. Their idea of balance is to get a conservative Republican to debate a conservative Democrat. For years on Crossfire the host was Michael Kinsley of The New Republic, and every night he announced, “I’m Michael Kinsley, from the left.” After doing that for six years, he gave up his seat, and that’s when they tested me to be the co-host. And a reporter asked Kinsley, after six years, “What are your politics?” And he described himself as a wishy-washy moderate. And that’s typical.

Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

13 by clocker bob_Archive
patk wrote:This was the example that I was thinking also. Thanks for pointing it out. If any of the other Dems would have stood behind Durbin they could have dissolved the topic, but they left him out to fry.


Another failed gut check was when the Cong. Black Caucus tried to object to the stopped Florida recount in 2000.

patk wrote:Their[GOP] machine is like a fire. It starts with one little spark and another and before you know it the fire is a smoldering, suffocating talking point.


The corporations and their media minions serve as prison guards over the public dialogue. How do you stop a prison riot? A shot from the tower, one man goes down, the others back off.

Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

14 by Mark Hansen_Archive
Rick, do you really believe that you are blameless in the name calling currently going on at this forum?

Up until your last post, on this particular thread anyway, no name calling, no useless bitching about the general facts of the thread; then you go into this "whining liberal" (I know, not a direct quote; but sums up what you're implying) screed which seems designed to just piss people off, when virtually everyone agreed with you up to this point.

As a point of fact, I agree with it also; that 9/11 really had nothing to do with Iraq, and Iraq really has nothing to do with "the war on terror". From day one I could see that it was a pretext, a sham, and that Bush probably had designs on Iraq (probably for oil) all along.

Do you really need the drama this is bound to start up? It almost seems like its what you really want, not a dialogue.

Can you not accept that people can come to different conclusions about things, but be in general agreement about a lot of it, without going down the low road of insults and invective and insinuations about people's character?

What do you really find fulfilling about that?
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Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

15 by camilo_Archive
Rick Reuben wrote:
Another example of a liberal resorting to the 'media conspires against us!' conspiracy theory when it's useful to explain what they see as conservative bias in the media- but then the same liberals don't want to talk about this media conspiracy when the media is accused of concealing the truth about 9/11 or the Federal Reserve or vote fraud or Obama's deep connections to spooky Wall Street globalist financiers.

Ricardo, you are not alone in incorrectly using the word "liberal" to describe a particular political position, but since you are so analistic about the semantics of others, I would expect you to apply the same standard to yourself. Please find out about what a true liberal is and what liberalism actually implies. Educate yourself or risk being perceived as a moron.

To be fair, "conservative" is also an all but meaningless term. Let's try distinguishing positions on the political spectrum the way the Brits do—Left, Left of Center, Centrist, Right of Center, Rightist. This method has always struck me as much more descriptive of a set of political beliefs rather than personal inclinations.
:smt102

Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

16 by camilo_Archive
The Rightists have effective hijacked the media by claiming it has a "liberal" bias. This strategy has been so effective that even traditionally Left-of-Center outlets like public radio go out of their way to combat this perception. "Liberals" are the new boogeyman.

The result is there's effectively no Left left in America anymore. I've always thought America to be a Right-of-Center nation, anyway, with a few enlightened blips on our timeline. We can't expect the US to be capable of serious political discourse. I think as a nation, we're too spoiled and we have yet to suffer the horrendous insults to our population and property the Europeans have had to survive.

Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

18 by camilo_Archive
There is no other side. This bird is attempting to fly with one wing. The Left was decimated as a result of 9/11 when Dubya's approval ratings soared into the 80s. I think it's a recent phenomenon that the Center is starting to recover. There are a few so-called "liberal" outlets but their spawn tends towards the same type of groupthink that typifies the neocons. Perhaps the Left was also responsible for it's own decline by espousing impractical elitism. In any case, critical, fresh and compelling ideas are missing from the Left. I doubt they will originate from this country any time soon.

We all know who controls the Right.

Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

19 by camilo_Archive
I must admit those are both very good questions.

The Left or at least the concept of the Left still exists in some form in other countries and just because we've emptied the Left doesn't mean the niche they've occupied is gone.

I agree with you, Center Leftists have become way dumb and rather herd-like with their own orthodoxy.

I'm not so sure the Left died so much from seeking accommodation with the power structure as much as it lost touch with it's populist base and with practical solutions to class inequities. It became arrogant, ossified and unresponsive. The Right became much more nimble and aggressive and was correctly able to point out the Left's failings. The Left had no answers.

Leading UK Prosecutor: " There Is No War On Terror"

20 by camilo_Archive
Well, perhaps I'm a bit more of an idealist than you. I'd like to think it was the Left's fight with the prevailing power structure that led to its own overinflated sense of importance and intransigence. Perhaps it was inevitable that individuals would be seduced by money but I like to think the Left's failure stemmed from an inability to adapt to the political landscape and the loss of its principles.
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