dronevil wrote:I could name more than quite a few. Whats your point? You showed you have little knowledge of underground music, yet worked at a record store? Whats that all about?

Scenester points or goth chicks?

Either way..

calling someone out for having "little knowledge of underground music" is a douchebag "scenester points" sorta thing to do, innit?

I've worked in record stores, I've also booked in the 'indie rock circuit' for years, too. I had only heard of Converge. If those bands above listed sound like converge, maybe he just (and I don't) like screamy rock music. I tend to know very little about that kind of crap, because it gets on my nerves. It doesn't reflect a lack of knowledge about "underground music" because that's a little bigger than the five bands you listed.

dronevil wrote:Jonah Jenkins is one of THE best vocalists to come out of New England/Boston area

really? This Jonah guy is better than Thalia Zedek? Mona Elliott? Roger Miller?

Er....Dickie Barrett? Springa?

Ahhh, errrr, Choke? (searching......)

(alright, i'm coming up empty now.....)

(I have heard of OLW. Never heard a note of their music though)

windowlicker wrote:I think I even know the guy you're talking about. Are his initials J.S.?

.

Indeed they are - see what I mean yet?

dronevil wrote:I could name more than quite a few. Whats your point? You showed you have little knowledge of underground music, yet worked at a record store? Whats that all about?

Anyone that's ignorant of mid tempo New England metal/hardcore is doing themselves a favor.

I say this as an ex performer of mid tempo New England metal/hardcore.

I know nothing about these musics that some of these people claim are of the modern vernacular. I think that their worldview may be a tiny bit skewed.

I'll bet these Shela's know nothing about the Raybeats, who would probably use these scenesters as a private stock of toilet paper. I'm not saying that's the case, but these modern artists seem to favor the fashion of low rider jeans (all the better to show off their fishwhite tubby bellies), funny haircuts and beards and pimpulars, and stupid nike trainers.

The kids are revolting nowadays. That is a pun.

gah!

Meh. Stop the trolling!

kevinhidden = dronevil.

Lame.

Second. Thanks for providing the anecdote about whoever that singer was. Jonah Jenkins. Now, don't get your knickers in a knot because people don't know who the hell he was.

I also worked in record stores off and on for 6 years, and though I think I vaguely recall some only living witness 7"s that never sold (did the guy sound kind of like a limited range chris cornell with a metal edge backing band?) the name really means nothing to me. Don't take it personally, Bullet Lavolta also didn't sell well in our store.

It's like if I was to harp on about Half-String, Rein Sanction, Christie Front Drive, or some other regionalised phenomenon.

What do you mean you've never heard of Mark Gentry? C'mon man! He was like, a fucking guitar god. Two albums on Sub Pop! Tours across the states and Europe! He was on the Guitarrorists compilation with Lee Ranaldo, and J Mascis, and Wayne Coyne, and Sonic Boom, and Tom Hazelmeyer, and and and. . . that Albini guy.

Don't know Mark Gentry? You've shown you have little knowledge of underground music.

How about the Nightblooms? Got that first album? C'mon, everyone needs the finest in shoegazing Dutch rock. Strut your indie credibility.


*yawn*

*snore*


*cough*


huh, what?

the world goes on without me while i sleep through the boring shit???

when did this happen???

sleepkid wrote:I also worked in record stores off and on for 6 years, and though I think I vaguely recall some only living witness 7"s that never sold (did the guy sound kind of like a limited range chris cornell with a metal edge backing band?) the name really means nothing to me.

Sounds pretty right on http://myspace.com/olw

This insomnia is getting pretty bad.

*yawn*

I wrote that essay/article in response to friends that were asking what happened with Miltown and Warner Brothers.

It was not intended to convey any single message, but it was intended to express what had happened over many years, to explain why I made some of the mistakes that I made at the time, and hopefully to educate some in what NOT to do.

As I stated initially, we made mistakes with OLW, which couldn't be undone (mostly signing away the publishing rights) without a buyout, as a lawsuit would not have been worth anyone's time,. and I wanted to continue making and releasing music, without the restraints of Century Media.

A major label offered the money for a buyout, it worked, and then a new set of problems were revealed, despite the best intentions of anyone involved. Our lawyer worked for a huge firm in LA, but as with most lawyers, he felt that he had to protect his relationships with the label (and their revenue stream) more than he could watch out for the interests of our, or any band, no matter what he initially negotiated.

And the main problem that we had in Miltown was not actually a poor contract, but a simple matter of many varying viewpoints and experience within the band. We each made mistakes, based on assumptions, based on trust, and based on a belief in democracy within a band. None of those things worked out for us in the end.

I now run a very small label, don't sign contracts unless a band asks for one, and then it's just a single page.

It's worked very well for all involved, and it's still enjoyable after many years.

Thoughout my time making music, I've always kept a full time day job, mostly in academic libraries, except for those 3 months that I mentioned in the article.

-jonah jenkins