matthew wrote:And as far as the whole "compassionate towards the exploited" nonsense goes, well, if a person thinks their getting screwed at the job they're in, there's a whole market of other jobs to choose from if he or she has the ambition to pursue any of them

OH FUCK YOU!

If you're not some liberal dude getting his jollies razzing other lefties -- which is to say, if you actually believe this -- it just goes to show you know NOTHING about the world we all live in.

matthew wrote:There are literally thousands and thousands of jobs out there for the taking if one has the ambition to get up and have the desire to work.

What if they don't hire you?

steve wrote:

NerblyBear wrote:Alright. You've convinced me.

But the question still remains, "How can we reduce gun violence?"

Gun violence goes down when crime goes down. Stop focusing on the guns. The guns hardly matter at all. Crime goes up and down, currently it is down. Occasionally there will be guns involved. Big deal.

Basically, stop freaking out about guns.

That much I can agree with you on.

It's funny, my father's a retired federal law enforcement agent and hence he was required to be adept at using a number of different firearms ranging from pistols to fully automatic weapons, yet he absolutely hates guns and is for gun control to a limited extent- background checks, ban on automatic weapons, etc. He also taught me how to shoot as well, and I really don't care for guns myself and I find people who have a fetish for them to be at least kinda wierd (though knowing how to shoot properly is a very good skill to learn- you never know when you may have to use one. It's like knowing how to shift a manual in a way- just good to know). Anyway, over the years he and I have argued and still argue about gun control- I essentially believe that guns should be licensed to the owner but that is about it. I don't think background checks should be necessary, nor should there be a waiting period, and I see no reason why there should be a ban on automatic weapons (all the same I see no reason to own, say, an AR-15 or an MP-5 in our society though!). I also believe that the best place to learn about guns is the home- the family: a father showing his sons (and also daughters) how a gun works, how to handle them responsibly, and why they need to be handled responsibly. I think it is ironic that my father was around guns so often in his profession and nevertheless dislikes them so much, but yet I also understand why my father dislikes them: because they are tools designed for a purpose which can become an unfortunate necessity given the proper circumstances- to take another human life, and he had the authority as a law officer to use deadly force if necessary. It must be a heavy responsibility.

That, I think, is the proper mentality when it comes to firearms.

Eierdiebe wrote:

matthew wrote:And as far as the whole "compassionate towards the exploited" nonsense goes, well, if a person thinks their getting screwed at the job they're in, there's a whole market of other jobs to choose from if he or she has the ambition to pursue any of them

OH FUCK YOU!

If you're not some liberal dude getting his jollies razzing other lefties -- which is to say, if you actually believe this -- it just goes to show you know NOTHING about the world we all live in.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

I'll add that for people with no education or career training this "whole market of other jobs" matthew speaks of consists ENTIRELY of jobs that pay (wait for it) MINIMUM WAGE. And there are plenty of jobs out there thay pay even less, for those who have "the ambition to pursue any of them."

I find Limbaugh entertaining, and despise about 99% of his ideas.

Smarter to listen to his ideas with an open mind, as opposed to going in knowing it's garbage.

It really lets you fully understand on every level how awful the social niche is that likes this man.

Bet 99% of his die-hard listeners know it's garbage in their subconscious.

matthew wrote:It's funny, my father's a retired federal law enforcement agent and hence he was required to be adept at using a number of different firearms ranging from pistols to fully automatic weapons, yet he absolutely hates guns and is for gun control to a limited extent- background checks, ban on automatic weapons, etc.

Funny, I'm a young liberal who owns assault rifles and supports the NRA not j/k

Seaside Lounge wrote:...people with no education or career training...

Uh...then get some education and training, perhaps? Start at the bottom and work your way up.....that sort of thing?

I can't believe I'm having this discussion.

matthew wrote:...if a person thinks their getting screwed at the job they're in, there's a whole market of other jobs to choose from if he or she has the ambition to pursue any of them.

You're killing me with this shit. Seriously, you're dumb as a length of pipe.

Shit, check craigslist or the help wanted pages in any newspaper if you don't believe me. There are literally thousands and thousands of jobs out there for the taking if one has the ambition to get up and have the desire to work.

Next thing, you'll be saying the unemployed are just lazy.

did you ever consider that some people who are unemployed are just lazy and want to suck off the tit of taxpayer's money instead of providing for themselves?

Holy shit! You said it! Fuckin' ay, can I read hands or what! Dude, you are totally making my evening here.

It all comes back to letting the markets function properly in the end.

Why do Catholics always want it "in the end?"

alpha80 wrote:I find Limbaugh entertaining, and despise about 99% of his ideas.

Excellent! Here's someone that at least gets Limbaugh's schtick even if he/she doesn't agree with him: he's trying to entertain and inform at the same time- it can be done, y'all know.

^You find no ally here homie.

I find him entertaining in the worst way.