MrFood wrote:Something new and special eh?

Ok, to what "new" and "special" 'emotions' has turntable sound appealed in your experience?

Spoken like someone who never saw DJ Still play with Dalek. That dude did shit with turntables and effects pedals i didn't know was possible.

1. Herbie Hancock's "Rockit"

2. DJ Spooky- Songs of a dead dreamer/ Optometry

3. DJ Shadow- Private Press, Endtroducing...

MrFood wrote:Ok. So, I won't write the turntable off as a valid instrument if you can post three examples of it being used in a way which actually serves a piece of music and not as a fucking novelty whose appeal is similar to watching fat kids stacking cups real fast.

I'm at work right now, but when i get home i'll post a few Dalek and Lovage tracks, and maybe something Kid Koala spun on off the Deltron 3030 record. Be warned, though; you may have to listen really carefully on some of those, because some of the turntable work doesn't sound like the record-scratching you're thinking of.

zom-zom wrote:I'm still into "Mash-Ups".

So many, many New Sounds these days. The Golden Age of Rock and Roll!

Exhibit A:

http://www.myspace.com/henchninremix

What could be better than Big Black or Nine Inch Nails?

Big Black and Nine Inch Nails together, of course!

The Golden Palominos used scratching. You know, it had Zorn, Laswell, and Frith in it.

Skronk wrote:I tell you what, the bands I love have never moved me to tears. Scratching takes time and effort, and when it's done right, can really be something new and special.

Bullshit. I saw a Nick Cave performance once that moved me to tears. Same with Nico and Ute Lemper.

Once, when seeing Whitehouse, I'd say it came close to sending me into a transcendent state. A violent transcendent state, but a transcendent state nonetheless.

I can't say I don't think there is any worthwhile music among the scratch/ hip-hop type of stuff, but I doubt any of it will move me in the way those four performers have.

Music doesn't have to bring you to tears to appreciate it.

Hmmm. OK, no offense, but if this is going to turn into a conversation about DOOD TURNTABLES ISNT MUSIX I AM OLD & STODGY vs. DUDE YOU ARE SO WRONG WHAT IS AN "INSTRUMENT" ANYWAY MAN, I'll just start another thread when I do get around to posting this stuff so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. This "debate" is as exciting as -- oh, wait -- as watching a fat kid stack cups. See also: "rap" vs. "hip-hop" or "Velvet Underground: gods or geniuses?"

Just saying.


Mr. Graham


PS- DrAwkward... is that you, from IfIHadAHiFi...?

Skronk wrote:Music doesn't have to bring you to tears to appreciate it.

Agreed, but the ones that have moved me in some way are the best shows I've ever seen. They all transcended the technical aspects of a show, the "goddam they're fucking good" appreciation of a show, to touch on something that seemed far more profound.

Now that I think of it, I would add John Cale to my very short list of performers I've experienced this with.

Agree 100% with comments from Dr Awkward and Skronk.

Moreover, I have been moved damn close to tears by record scratching.

The record scratching solo in Fog's "Pneumonia" is just beautiful.

The use of record scratching at the end of "Western Eyes" by Portishead is remarkable too, so delicately poised, it's devastating.

I dunno, maybe I'm just some kind of freak or too sentimental or something.