BadComrade wrote:Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac was great. You wouldn't know anything about that either though, would you...

My favorite song from that period would have to be "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head (Kicked In Tonight)"

A song that's been covered by countless punk and Oi! bands over the years, starting with the Rezillos...

Richard wrote:zom-zom's done more for the music you like than you even realize, and he did it before you were born.

DAVE GROHL?




/kidding

Will somebody PLEASE Sendspace some Reba McIntyre for Zom-Zom so he has some original music to listen to?

SecondEdition wrote:

lemur68 wrote:Rapping? That's just people talkin'!

So what. You didn't have problems when the guy from Slint just "talked".

Lemur68 was joking I believe. And made me chuckle.


Hey guys there's a lot of ageist comments being bandied about. Don't let the Premier Rock Forum become a place of bias and bigotry. Anyway the most influential DJs/skratchers/rappers are just as old as ZomZom. It's not an age thing, it's an ignorance thing.

zom-zom wrote:I get it now.

So, when I get home and play my Steely Dan Can't Buy a Thrill LP, and "manipulate" the tone and balance controls, and perhaps play with the speed-control, I am making New Music.

This is important, and cool.

I almost busted a gut laughing out loud at the brilliantly witty hilariousness of this. Then I realized: wait a minute -- it's true. You (or anyone who chooses to mess around in the manner described above) are making new music. (OK, I'll give you the tone controls; let's not split hairs. But the pitch knob? Sweet sounds, Mr. Reich!)

A kid blowing through a reed can sound like John Zorn; a rookie hack can strum an out of key guitar & call it "art." A 5th-grader can splatter paint on a sheet of paper & be all, "Pollock WHO?" Sure, it's all "new," & it's all "music." Or "art." Or whatever.

The question is, is it GOOD music? Would I want to listen to it? For the most part, my answer to all of the above examples is, "No." But that's a reflection of my personal taste. I like to listen to Steely Dan at regular speed, with the EQ set properly. Zom-zom, you apparently don't like to listen to music created using turntables (sorry; I realize I DID say "music" & "created" there; it's part of the perspective I bring to this topic. Please forgive my baggage.) -- fair enough.

But if I take your definition of what is or isn't music as gospel, it devalues a lot of my favorite things to listen to. And you can make your wacky txty versions of what scratching sounds like to you, but that's not how I hear it. You say WACKA WACKA, I say classic. See you back at the starting gate.

All that to say, this "conversation" has taken pretty much the shape I expected it to, & with a pretty predicktable result. If anyone digs this stuff I put up, feel free to let me know in here or via PM. If you dislike it & can explain your criteria beyond "surely you realize that you have not created music," I'm likewise interested.

MrFood, I am shocked, SHOCKED at your review. Based on your comments prior to cold-checking my steez, I expected a much more insightful review which demonstrated a thorough understanding of the genre & context, etc., etc., up yours granddad, LOL BRB FU2 J/K YA RLY.

Germ Warfare, glad you liked that ol' pedal gag. I find it consistently amusing/amazing how certain people can be about something like this. Is it so wrong to be on the "tastes great" AND the "less filling" teams?


Mr. Graham

Boombats wrote:Will somebody PLEASE Sendspace some Reba McIntyre for Zom-Zom so he has some original music to listen to?

SecondEdition wrote:

lemur68 wrote:Rapping? That's just people talkin'!

So what. You didn't have problems when the guy from Slint just "talked".

Lemur68 was joking I believe. And made me chuckle.


Hey guys there's a lot of ageist comments being bandied around. Don't let the Premier Rock Forum become a place of bias and bigotry. Anyway the most influential DJs/skratchers/rappers are just as old as ZomZom. It's not an age thing, it's an ignorance thing.

I was joking myself, but I do mean it too.

I don't mind if Zom-Zom dislikes the hip-hop or not. I envy him for many things, like his pink Jazzmaster (*drools*) and the fact that he was in a(n apparently) great band (I haven't had the opportunity to listen to them as of yet). And...why should I care if Zom-Zom is old or not?

Let me add that any punk who doesn't appreciate Public Enemy is a right piece of shit and should have their patches/t-shirts/vinyl/tattoos/memories/album credits revoked permanently.



Oh wait... I know why people are against this "scratching"... it's because they're bleeding-heat "vinylists" who can't bear to hear the moans of agony coming from their poor poor records! Sissies!
Hey people if we didn't test on records, we'd have to scratch on HUMANS! God put records on the earth for Man to use! I eat four square albums a day and I have lived to be a hundred, etc etc etc...

SecondEdition wrote:

Boombats wrote:Will somebody PLEASE Sendspace some Reba McIntyre for Zom-Zom so he has some original music to listen to?

SecondEdition wrote:

lemur68 wrote:Rapping? That's just people talkin'!

So what. You didn't have problems when the guy from Slint just "talked".

Lemur68 was joking I believe. And made me chuckle.


Hey guys there's a lot of ageist comments being bandied around. Don't let the Premier Rock Forum become a place of bias and bigotry. Anyway the most influential DJs/skratchers/rappers are just as old as ZomZom. It's not an age thing, it's an ignorance thing.

I was joking myself...

Yeah, c'mon. Do you really think that any of us give a shit how old someone is?!? No. It's just people joking around. Jesus Christ you people need to lighten up.

Boombats wrote:Let me add that any punk who doesn't appreciate Public Enemy is a right piece of shit and should have their patches/t-shirts/vinyl/tattoos/memories/album credits revoked permanently.

Seconded. It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back and Fear of a Black Planet are overloaded with socially relevant conscience and rage in every second.

ChristopherM wrote:

SecondEdition wrote:

Boombats wrote:Hey guys there's a lot of ageist comments being bandied around. Don't let the Premier Rock Forum become a place of bias and bigotry. Anyway the most influential DJs/skratchers/rappers are just as old as ZomZom. It's not an age thing, it's an ignorance thing.

I was joking myself...

Yeah, c'mon. Do you really think that any of us give a shit how old someone is?!? No. It's just people joking around. Jesus Christ you people need to lighten up.

Hey ChristopherM, guess who else was joking. Me. Jesus Christ you need to lighten up.

SecondEdition wrote:why should I care if Zom-Zom is old or not?

Cause for all the people that act or talk like the world owes them something (like a wreath, or some chocolate milk, or a hug) you gotta be old and stuff to actually deserve that chocolate milk, that bag of gummy worms, or whatever it is that old people like to "chew" these days.

The way zom-zom pulls off that whole "it has to be pure to my ancient aesthetic or else!!!" thing is beauty. I appreciate it, no joke. I feel the same way, sometimes, about some things, with the whole "oldschool was awesomer" kinda mentality, 30 year old instrument into a 40 year old amp played by a 300 year old zom-zom, I think that stuff is the cat's meow.

And I got no problem with "the kids today" doing cool new stuff, provided it's actually cool and new. I have to say, I've actually listened to the mangled Shellac song in question, the origin of this thread, and I'm non-plussed. I feel like it's pretty much just a mangled version of a Shellac song, and maybe a little more could have gone into making it its own beast. So yeah, the idea of a remix, or a mash-up, or a "cutty-scratchy" or whatever the kids are making today, these are fine ideas. The problem is not in the idea, it's in the execution. A remix is not an inherently bad thing, 100% of the time. The problem is, out of every remix I've ever heard, I don't remember liking one better than the original, if at all. See where I'm going with this? Me neither.

Yes, back on topic... You have to be really, really old to be entitled to opinions like zom-zom's. I'm not kidding. Talking like that when you're like 20 or 30, you seem kinda silly. But when you're 116, like he is, it carries some actual weight. He's still holding a grudge because they invented "records", y'know, those things that were non-musical ripoffs of awesome musical performances by *real bands* and *orchestras*, not just some microphone... hell, I can't do this anymore, I'm really bored.

Zom-zom is so old, can somebody just get him some chocolate milk.