I think scratching is a brilliantly innovative way to use analog sound equipment to make music. Although a DJ might be using other artists' material as the medium for creating his sound, what he does is every bit as original as what any guitar player, drummer, singer or other instrumentalist does.

Give the same LP to Grandmixer DXT and Terminator X of Public Enemy, and you'll get two very nuanced and different sounds.

I see rapping, scratching, sampling and remixing as art forms with every bit as much innovation and validity as Lou Reed's spoken word singing style, John Cage's "chance music" and "extended technique", the cut-and-splice compositions of musique concréte, Harry Partch's original handcrafted instruments and compositions, and Les Paul's experiments with electrified guitar.

Those of you who disagree, should perhaps examine your real reasons for disregarding hip hop as true art. Is it because of its popularity and commercial success? Or because of its origin in low-income urban and ethnic communities?

SecondEdition wrote:

Boombats wrote:Will somebody PLEASE Sendspace some Reba McIntyre for Zom-Zom so he has some original music to listen to?

SecondEdition wrote:

lemur68 wrote:Rapping? That's just people talkin'!

So what. You didn't have problems when the guy from Slint just "talked".

Lemur68 was joking I believe. And made me chuckle.


Hey guys there's a lot of ageist comments being bandied around. Don't let the Premier Rock Forum become a place of bias and bigotry. Anyway the most influential DJs/skratchers/rappers are just as old as ZomZom. It's not an age thing, it's an ignorance thing.

I was joking myself, but I do mean it too.

I don't mind if Zom-Zom dislikes the hip-hop or not. I envy him for many things, like his pink Jazzmaster (*drools*) and the fact that he was in a(n apparently) great band (I haven't had the opportunity to listen to them as of yet). And...why should I care if Zom-Zom is old or not?

What band was zom-zom in?

The Code is Almighty wrote:What band was zom-zom in?

The Eagles

The Code is Almighty wrote:What band was zom-zom in?

Don't tell him about this (take away his reading glasses and he's blind as a horseshoe) but somebody remixed some of his older material from back when he was doing something radically different and new.

Richard wrote:

The Code is Almighty wrote:What band was zom-zom in?

The Eagles

Ouch. Brutal.

The Code is Almighty wrote:What band was zom-zom in?

You should use the plural of band.

He can give you the complete list. As someone that got to see just about every one of his ventures, I will say he is one fine musician and when you put his and his bands' work into the context of time, he and his band mates can be proud of the influence they hold over the Minneapolis music scene.

It's Prince, isn't it?

Colonel Panic wrote:
Those of you who disagree, should perhaps examine your real reasons for disregarding hip hop as true art. Is it because of its poularity? Or its origin in low-income urban and ethnic communities?

Isn't is possible just to not like something and think it just, well, sucks?

That's what I think about Rap/HipHop made since the year 2000 or so. Okay, maybe since 1990.

Who cares about where something originates from. I am all for Aborigines and their rights, but I fucking hate a digeridoo!

Turntables playing someone else's samples manipulated by someone's hand just doesn't jass me. Maybe I am old too, but I would be a little turned off by a rock band with a turntablist. Sorry.

And hand drums played by white dudes with dreadlocks.. fuck me.

We are all being judgemental. That's what personal taste is all about. If you like everything, you aren't too discriminating. Everyone on this board is closeminded about music.

I'm back to drinking prune juice... and thinking modern Rap/HipHop is annoying shite. And it don't have shit to do with its "origin" on a cultural or economic level.

I think you can think something sucks and not disregard it as a legitimate art/music/whatever. I think that was the point being made.

Germ War wrote:I think you can think something sucks and not disregard it as a legitimate art/music/whatever. I think that was the point being made.

Point taken. But I am not ruling out a genre of music here. I think Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock and P-Diddy are NOT LEGITIMATE ART(ISTS).

OK, yes, actually I will rule out the genre of Rap Metal as both sucky and NOT ART

Somehow turntables and scratching are related to all of this shit... somehow.