Tommy Alpha wrote:

Chromodynamic wrote:

Tommy Alpha wrote:Just saw 19... So Linderman's plan is identical to Ozymandias’. For fucks sake, this show owes Alan Moore a lot of cheques he won’t cash.

To be fair, Moore wasn't exactly breaking new ground with that scheme. The overall idea of doing something terrible to serve a greater good is ages old.

But in the context of a 'realistic' super hero team? and in new york? are you kidding me?

Not really. I see your point and think that it does teter dangerously close to Watchmen territory but what other city would be just as good? L.A.? Man, that city is in danger from terrorists every damn season on 24. There's just something so resonant and undeniably American about New York that makes it nearly impossible to choose someplace else, like Houston or Baltimore. Deep down I am glad this show is around and does do an overall decent job of depicting a moderately realistic super-hero team. I don't know about anyone else but I will be not-so-quietly grateful that Heroes was around before Zack Snyder decided to unleash his terribly mediocre vision of Moore's work.

Chromodynamic wrote:

Tommy Alpha wrote:

Chromodynamic wrote:

Tommy Alpha wrote:Just saw 19... So Linderman's plan is identical to Ozymandias’. For fucks sake, this show owes Alan Moore a lot of cheques he won’t cash.

To be fair, Moore wasn't exactly breaking new ground with that scheme. The overall idea of doing something terrible to serve a greater good is ages old.

But in the context of a 'realistic' super hero team? and in new york? are you kidding me?

Not really. I see your point and think that it does teter dangerously close to Watchmen territory but what other city would be just as good? L.A.? Man, that city is in danger from terrorists every damn season on 24. There's just something so resonant and undeniably American about New York that makes it nearly impossible to choose someplace else, like Houston or Baltimore. Deep down I am glad this show is around and does do an overall decent job of depicting a moderately realistic super-hero team. I don't know about anyone else but I will be not-so-quietly grateful that Heroes was around before Zack Snyder decided to unleash his terribly mediocre vision of Moore's work.

Totally. Plus, there's that whole inconvenience of 9/11 happening in New York as well. If you want to make some sort of commentary on that (and it's pretty obvious that's what they were going for with this past episode...i mean, c'mon, Parkman working for Homeland Security?), and do it in a comic book setting, you're pretty fucked now because Moore did the same thing in the 80s. However, i would argue that this story arc on Heroes is less a Moore-ripoff and more a 9/11 allegory because, to me, Watchmen seemed to imply that everything was gonna be hunky-dory after the "alien attack," which was why Nite Owl and Whatsernuts kept quiet about it. The future timeline in Heroes was most definitely darker than that.

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today a friend mentioned something that i had not really thought about... so, how did sylar survive being stabbed by future hiro if claire was alive, in that timeline, all along?

Didn't Peter said that he was the bomb and Nathan covered it up to protect him?

unarmedman wrote:Didn't Peter said that he was the bomb and Nathan covered it up to protect him?

Yup, so Sylar's whereabouts at the time are a mystery, he was probably just lurking about - waiting to find someone like Candace to kill so he could then infiltrate the white house.

Chromodynamic wrote:

unarmedman wrote:Didn't Peter said that he was the bomb and Nathan covered it up to protect him?

Yup, so Sylar's whereabouts at the time are a mystery, he was probably just lurking about - waiting to find someone like Candace to kill so he could then infiltrate the white house.

well, are we to assume hiro stabbed sylar the day the explosion went down? i sort of think that a confrontation between sylar and peter prompted peter to go all berzerker and explode. my question is, how does sylar survive being stabbed by frickin' hiro even after the changed timeline when claire is still alive.

kenoki wrote:well, are we to assume hiro stabbed sylar the day the explosion went down? i sort of think that a confrontation between sylar and peter prompted peter to go all berzerker and explode. my question is, how does sylar survive being stabbed by frickin' hiro even after the changed timeline when claire is still alive.

See, that was just a case of the timeline being stuck in a paradox. he survived the stabbing because he killed Claire, but Peter then saved her, so she was still alive. But all the interference in the past wasn't complete yet (Peter has saved Claire, but Hiro hasn't killed Sylar yet), so there was just a whole lotta timeline paradox happening. That's all.

ah ha, i see... that makes sense, drawkward, however somehow a little unsatisfactory. i was reading a heroes board and someone mentioned peter's scar was disappearing throughout "5 years gone." i should watch again, but did anyone else notice this or was it just clumsy makeup?

Those people on 9th Wonders are nuts!

kenoki wrote:the revelation about ando (and hiro) just about made me shed a tear it was so sweet and sad. like dr awkward said, i just can't believe this show actually GETS BETTER. lots of stunners. jeez, and matt?.... what the hell....

I was thinking to myself "Save Ando...Save the World."