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>>Fleetwood Mac

not crap, not with peter green, not on _fleetwood mac_ or _rumours_ or half of _tusk_ or "hold me." no one remembers that bob welch shit, but even if they did, fleetwood mac is still not crap.

this one is one of the classics, along with bauhaus (crahp). those two will tell you a lot about somebody.

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Metal Urbain:not
Frank Sinatra:crap
Lynard Skynard:crap
Steve Miller (again):crap
Glen Branca:crap
Whitehouse:not
The Sweet:crap
Shellac:not
Willie Nelson:not
Lightning Bolt:not
Oneida:not

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DEAD KENNEDYS:not crap
NEIL DIAMOND:CRAP
JOHN FAHEY:CRAP (sorry, too much crap in later years)
ALBERT AYLER:not crap
DEAD C:CRAP
MUMMIES:CRAP
THIN LIZZY:not crap
NAPALM DEATH:not crap (not bad enough to be crap)
ABBA:CRAP
SMOG:not crap
CAN:not crap
TALKING HEADS:not crap (too good early on)
HERMANN NITSCH:CRAP (who cares?)

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Fuck me, this game is fun. Has it been applied to anything other than music? How about cities?

New York:
Boston:
Atlanta:
Chicago:
Dallas:
L.A.:
San Francisco:
Seattle:
London:
Dublin:
Berlin:
Paris:
Tokyo:
Sydney:

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Beck: crap
Guns 'n' Roses: crap
Pixies, The: crap
Smiths, The: crap

Who, The: not crap
ZZ Top: not crap
Aerosmith: not crap (this one's close but early records are good)
Clash, The: not crap
Doors, The: not crap
Public Enemy: not crap

Fleetwood Mac: not crap

AC/DC: not crap
Rolling Stones, The: not crap
Beatles, The: not crap
Bowie, David: not crap

Does anybody play this game when they're making records? For example "That take was crap." or "This song wasn't crap until we overdubbed the vibraphone part."

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tmidgett wrote:brad

getting back to the first couple slates

i just want to know if we can still be friends, is all

CRAP

Beck: crap-hop, folkrap, rockrap, and rhythm'n'crap

Doors, The: on the whole, crap, though jim seemed to figure this out by _l.a. woman_, which made that a pretty good record. but still, basically unlistenable crap. i say crap. it doesn't scare me and it makes me laugh.

Guns 'n' Roses: crayeeayeeayeeap

Smiths, The: crap from a young male ass falling into a basket of petunias. tho 'how soon is now' is pretty good.

The Cure: crap fertilizer on a hair farm

Stereolab: burblecrap for girls

King Crimson: crappertronics

Tom Waits: the bee fart in beefheart--crap

Ministry: there can be no argument that ministry is crap throughout their long career

NOT CRAP

Aerosmith: a good bass player, a good drummer, a very good guitar player who (in terms of sheer quantity) has played more good guitar than jeff beck ever did, and a pretty funny singer. not crap.

Clash, The: poseurs, si. crap, no.

Public Enemy: not crap, tho i don't know when i will play these records again

Who, The: a surprising amount of crap in the catalog of this band that is not crap and has in fact written maybe three of the greatest fifty or so rock songs ever

ZZ Top: a friend of mine thinks they are really no better than, say, 38 special and that anyone who thinks they are superior to the rolling stones is wrong. i like the rolling stones better, but zz top is not crap.

AC/DC: oh come on now. so obviously not crap, having made the single greatest SOUNDING rock record in the history of rock music.

Siouxsie and the Banshees: you know what? not crap! you have to go back and really think about it.


I am puzzled as to why we would not be friends. Not only are our lists virtually identical, but, hell, you are Mr. Musical Correctness. Who am I to judge?

The only points of contention, and they're small ones, are The Clash and The Who. The Clash give me the creeps; their music sounds culturally exploitive to me, sort of like Paul Simon in the 1980s (but with even less charm, if that's possible). Plus, dumb rock reactionaries are always fighting an uphill battle with me. And where are the hooks outside of "Train in Vain", which I quite like? To sell that brand of 70/80s left-leaning pseudo-intellectual political stridency to me, you gotta catch me with a good pop hook (see, Midnight Oil (Not Crap), R.E.M. (Not Crap) or, on certain occasions, U2 (CRAP)). So, The Clash - crap.

With The Who, they're something far worse than crap; they're boring, deathly so, and that's saying something with that rhythm section. Just plain whetstone dull. So, The Who - crap. (As a sidenote, what are the three songs by The Who that you cite as being among the top 50 songs of all time?)

By the way, .38 Special had some really good moments, particularly when one performs a Jamesian era-adjustment.

So friends we will remain!

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crap or not:Bastro
Embrace
Red Krayola
Small Faces
New Order
The Strokes
Motorhead
The Pogues
Rein Sanction
Fudge Tunnel
Paul Yon of Louisville Kentucky

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Gastr del Sol
Jim O'Rourke
Eno
Fripp
Belew
Tony Visconti
!!!
Wire
Jandek
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Trans Am
Slits
Feelies
Syd Barrett
Bjork
Sebadoh
Royal Trux
REM
Pavement
Oxes
Nick Drake
Lou Reed
Liz Phair
Lauryn Hill
Mozart
Beethoven
Chopin
Shostakovich
Tchaikovsky
Interpol
George Harrison
Felt
Bitch Magnet

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alex wrote:Gastr del Sol - Crap
Jim O'Rourke - Crap
Eno - Not Crap
Fripp - Not Crap
Belew - Crap
Tony Visconti - Not Crap
!!! - Not Crap
Wire - Not Crap
Jandek - Crap
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Not Crap
Trans Am - Crap
Slits - Not Crap
Feelies - Not Crap
Syd Barrett - Not Crap
Bjork - Crap
Sebadoh - Crap
Royal Trux - Crap
REM - Not Crap
Pavement - Not Crap
Oxes - Crap
Nick Drake - Not Crap
Lou Reed - Crap
Liz Phair - Crap
Lauryn Hill - Crap
Mozart - Not Crap
Beethoven - Not Crap
Chopin - Not Crap
Shostakovich - Crap
Tchaikovsky - Crap
Interpol - Crap
George Harrison - Not Crap
Felt - Crap
Bitch Magnet - Crap

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