thank god.

rocker654 wrote: Nu-metal failed abosolutely and miserably.

I hope you didn't call nu-metal we younger folks' musical revolution.

If anything, in this age of ripping off 80's fashion, of being subjected to '80s-ish censorship and conservatism, and of making dated, bland, recycled, and boring music in our hip Urban Outfitters t-shirts, don't be surprised if the music we make is similar to the music y'all made.

It's amazing how "normal folk" can so easily find the underground, in comparison to the age of fanzines and word of mouth and actual dedication to existing outside of the mainstream. It's a scary, bland, boring, stupid, meaningless, boring, trendy, hip, boring, bland, stupid...uh, you get the drift...time to be involved in music. Even bands called "progressive" or "avant-garde" are doing watered down versions of what actually can be considered progressive or avant-garde.

I don't know, maybe it is the pain medication for my hand that is making scattering my thoughts so, but I feel like there has never been a worse time in music than right now.

Steve V. wrote:I feel like there has never been a worse time in music than right now.

I wholeheartedly agree. It gives me no pleasure to say that, either.

ubercat wrote:Zom, again I got love for you, but you're a troll. This idea that trolls operate under the veil of the internet is about as old as your personal netiquette. Let me date that for you - about 15 years old. Your notions about the internet are dated (at best). Many (if not most) high profile internet trolls are well known in rl.

Admit it. You like jackin' people. No problem with that, it's just not very becoming of you to adhere to, "I'm not a troll." Just admit you don't care to exhibit much in the way of common courtesy, that you have utter contempt for most people who use them there internets, and you actually don't have any care about backing up any of your arguments (and only do so when it suits you).

I like stating my opinions, that's about it. And I like a good laugh. But if you took the time to sift through my posts, you'd find that less than half could be considered "trolling". So still, I disagree. I don't have "utter contempt" for most people on the internets. I have met a large number of people who are now my "friends" due to this medium.

Of course I'll only back up my arguments when it suits me. Most of them aren't worth the effort.

Anyhoo, I'll leave you people to create yet more miserable, predictable lists.

rocker654 wrote:

Steve V. wrote:I feel like there has never been a worse time in music than right now.

I wholeheartedly agree. It gives me no pleasure to say that, either.

You guys are so wrong that it gives me actual physical pain!
Music is just as good now as it has ever been, it's just harder to find something more worthwhile because of the sheer amount of music that is being put out.
Even though we do have to sift through this bad watered down music to find the good things, the fact that ANYBODY can put out a record now is amazing. The older generation showed us that no matter who you are, you can do something great, you don't have to be a rock star to make an album. Now we know that, we're doing it. We're all putting out albums.

If the state of music, and thus the music industry was the same as it was as little as 15-20 years ago then a huge number of the people on this forum wouldn't be in bands or listening to the music we do.

I'm grateful that anybody and their grandma can put out a record, because it means a lot more good music is getting made. Imagine all the people and their grandmothers that couldn't have put out an album 30 years ago, not matter how good that album would have been simply because they weren't aware that they could.

Oh, and guys, keep these "miserable predictable list" coming, I just download about a gig of music that I've never heard before and now really love.

zom-zom wrote:I like stating my opinions, that's about it. And I like a good laugh. But if you took the time to sift through my posts, you'd find that less than half could be considered "trolling". So still, I disagree. I don't have "utter contempt" for most people on the internets. I have met a large number of people who are now my "friends" due to this medium.

Of course I'll only back up my arguments when it suits me. Most of them aren't worth the effort.

Anyhoo, I'll leave you people to create yet more miserable, predictable lists.

Points taken. :) Funny line too - sig-worthy.

And my list wasn't miserable or predictable. :) Still, I dislike these list posts because it invariably ends up being a list of Fugazi and Slint records.

Hmm...let's see. I think these are all records I love and cannot really comment objectively about.

Gang of Four - Solid Gold
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
Public Image Ltd - Second Edition
Swans - Children of God
Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Joy Division - Closer
The Stooges - Fun House
Flipper - Generic
Beatles - Revolver
The Who - Live at Leeds

Yeah, I think so...well, maybe replace "Children of God" (which, I sadly admit, has a duff track or two - "Real Love" is waaaaay too repetitive, even for them) with Velvet Underground - "White Light/White Heat" or their third album.

Hmm...let's see. I think these are all records I love and cannot really comment objectively about.

Gang of Four - Solid Gold
Funkadelic - Maggot Brain
Public Image Ltd - Second Edition
Swans - Children of God
Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited
Joy Division - Closer
The Stooges - Fun House
Flipper - Generic
Beatles - Revolver
The Who - Live at Leeds

Yeah, I think so...well, maybe replace "Children of God" (which, I sadly admit, has a duff track or two - "Real Love" is waaaaay too repetitive, even for them) with Velvet Underground - "White Light/White Heat" or their third album. this is all subjective at this present moment, and will change in probably five minutes or so.

Darryl_P wrote:

rocker654 wrote:

Steve V. wrote:I feel like there has never been a worse time in music than right now.

I wholeheartedly agree. It gives me no pleasure to say that, either.

You guys are so wrong that it gives me actual physical pain!
Music is just as good now as it has ever been, it's just harder to find something more worthwhile because of the sheer amount of music that is being put out.
Even though we do have to sift through this bad watered down music to find the good things, the fact that ANYBODY can put out a record now is amazing. The older generation showed us that no matter who you are, you can do something great, you don't have to be a rock star to make an album. Now we know that, we're doing it. We're all putting out albums.

If the state of music, and thus the music industry was the same as it was as little as 15-20 years ago then a huge number of the people on this forum wouldn't be in bands or listening to the music we do.

I'm grateful that anybody and their grandma can put out a record, because it means a lot more good music is getting made. Imagine all the people and their grandmothers that couldn't have put out an album 30 years ago, not matter how good that album would have been simply because they weren't aware that they could.

I think you make a good point. But to find a middle ground between their gripes and your optimism: the sheer number of bands coming out, mixed with the total fragmentation of formats, distribution and advertising methods, mixed with the mainstream top sellers being predominantly banal garbage leaves us in a strange position.

Bands like My Morning Jacket, Wilco, even Flogging Molly can go out and make a living working hard. People like Feist and Cat Power can fill a hole left by our decades lack of alluring, original female music stars, even if they can never become as culturally relevant as Billie Holiday, Aretha Franklin or Janis Joplin for that matter. Hell, I would say the Shins actually had a streak of being an interesting band that reminded us that pop can actually be a craft instead of a commercial.

Nonetheless the fact that everything is so scattered means that little glimpses of authentic talent (Modest Mouse, the Decemberists) can pop through into the public eye, it is harder and harder for their to be a break through scene in the old sense. Sure Omaha sold some records but I don't see everyone still hanging on to every Bright Eyes or Cursive album, and lets face it the Faint was never really that good.

If anyone interesting busts through they have to resign themselves to being solitary, except for being loosely bundled into what a starbucks customer calls 'indie'. Bad for careerists, but great for ambitious bands looking for a very modest amount of success, or record collectors that follow imprints like Sub Pop, Matador, Drag City, Secretly Canadian, Dischord, Merge, K, Arts and Crafts, GSL, Anti-, Epitaph and about a million smaller labels releasing interesting music.

1 houdini by the melvins
2 zen arcade by husker du
3 double nickles by the minutemen
4 evol by sonic youth
4 damaged by black flag
5 grotesque,after the gramme by the fall
6 singles going steady by the buzzcocks
7 physical graffiti by led zeppelin
8 volume 4 by black sabbath
9 in rock by deep purple
10 quadrophenia by the who