Bob has convinced me 9/11 is a vast conspiracy

Yes it has
Total votes: 19 (26%)
No it hasn't
Total votes: 55 (74%)
Total votes: 74

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clocker bob wrote:Wrong. Conspiracy theory is the idea that individuals are the root cause of all events, you idiot. Individualism does not seek to blame events on individuals, you sub atomic retard.


What. No.

Individualism is a philosophy that does not make you a conspiracy theorist. The opposite of an individualist is a collectivist. The opposite of a conspiracy theorist is a structuralist.


The post-structuralist in me is laughing at your limp, sexualised binaries.

Structuralism isn't the opposite of anything, its primarily a linguistic or semantic term, with an inspired but hardly identical branch of anthropology a few decades after the fact. It has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, at all. The only thing closer would be to say that objectivist linguistics is in opposition to structuralism, but to be honest most objective linguistics doesn't mention structuralism at all and instead fights the war against the "subjectivist" or "collectivist" bugbear.

Don't fuck with me on this, I can recite the Course of General Linguistics like the Pope remembers his prayer book and I have a picture of Saussere hanging over my bed with a candle.

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big_dave wrote:-isms are largely explanations and views of the world, and what takes place. They are rarely political ideas or actions in themselves, although they often imply it.


You are stupid beyond belief. -isms are not explanations, you moron. Did Marx write Marxism to explain pre-existing Marxism, you potatohead?

According to Big Idiot:

Communism

Fascism

and Totalitarianism

are not political ideas or actions in themselves. Can't get much more brain dead than that.

big_dave wrote:-isms are largely explanations and views of the world, and what takes place. They are rarely political ideas or actions in themselves, although they often imply it.
:lol:

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big_dave wrote:-isms are largely explanations and views of the world, and what takes place. They are rarely political ideas or actions in themselves, although they often imply it.


So individualism isn't a political idea?

big_dave wrote:I said that the individualist view of the world leads to individualist politics and not the other way around.


So individualism is a political idea?

A new level of inconsistency and idiocy has been reached by Big Dope.

On that note, I'm done with you. I have a lot of catching up to do back in the real world. Good luck with your head trauma.

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clocker bob wrote:
Aneurhythmia wrote:
clocker bob wrote:Conspiracy theory is the idea that individuals are the root cause of all events, you idiot.

Errr, aren't the individual and "conspiracy" explicitly antithetical?


Not any more antithetical than the individual and structural theory. Individuals are components in both. See the letter 's' on the end of the word 'individuals'? That means plural.

Are you sure you know what a conspiracy is?

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clocker bob wrote:
You are stupid beyond belief. -isms are not explanations, you moron. Did Marx write Marxism to explain pre-existing Marxism, you potatohead?


Marx didn't "write" Marxism. Marxism is used to describe the academic and government effects that he had. I don't think anyone describes themselves as a Marxist nowadays. And c'mon Bob, Marx's most famous quote : "I do not know what Marxism is...I am not a Marxist".

Communism


Popularised by Marx and Engels to describe the post-revolution society. The equivalent political term is not Communism, it is "the dictatorship of the proletariat".

Hence the book is "the Communist Manifesto", ie. not the "Marxist Manifesto" or the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat Manifesto". Marx is saying, "I am/will be a communist, here is my view of the world", not "these are the things I will do if you elect me"

Fascism


Coined to describe Governments that expressively have the power to execute their citizens, as it is based on the Roman Fasci and "bundle". Although the military-industrial implication of the "bundle" draws most of the common usage of the term now, the Fasci most focuses on the Axe so it originally meant the state's power to execute its citizens. Fascism describes a view of society where the power of state is the most important factor.

Notice that Mussolini's government did not only use the Fasci as their emblem, the bird of prey was an equal symbol which refered to the ability of the state execute its enemies outside of its borders.

and Totalitarianism


A hazy word. Again purely description and mostly used to describe an individual, or small group's, influence and not a political thought itself. I cannot imagine anyone forming an expressly totalitarian political party to advance their views of totalitarianism.

are not political ideas or actions in themselves. Can't get much more brain dead than that.


Again, although those words are descriptions of states or political groups. They all have related political action of course, but they do not require it, they are descriptions.

Anyway Bob, I said:

big_dave wrote:-isms are largely explanations and views of the world, and what takes place. They are rarely political ideas or actions in themselves, although they often imply it.


I said, boy, I said,

big_dave wrote:-isms are largely explanations and views of the world, and what takes place. They are rarely political ideas or actions in themselves, although they often imply it.
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Aneurhythmia wrote:Are you sure you know what a conspiracy is?


Are you sure you know what an individual is?

Definition of conspiracy:

1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

2. A group of conspirators.

Aneurhythmia wrote:Errr, aren't the individual and "conspiracy" explicitly antithetical?


How dumb can you get? Antithetical means diametrical opposition. If, by necessity, a conspiracy must include individuals to exist, then an individual is a necessary component of a conspiracy. By your retarded logic, a basketball player is only a basketball player when he stands on the court alone- according to you, a basketball player who joins a basketball team is no longer a basketball player.

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tmidgett wrote:I do not post here much anymore.

The main reason is that I have tired of the insults, self-righteousness, and half-learned analysis from people like Clocker Bob.

I don't have a lot of time, and I'm not all that willing to spend it on people I'd surely avoid if I encountered them face to face.

Needless to say, he has not changed my mind about 9/11, though he has changed the EA board rather significantly. He should really have his own forum here (not joking).

TM


You'll be sorely missed.

I did try a plea for sanity about five hours ago but it didn't work.

Nevermind.
Rick Reuben wrote:
daniel robert chapman wrote:I think he's gone to bed, Rick.
He went to bed about a decade ago, or whenever he sold his soul to the bankers and the elites.


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