Skronk wrote:

big_dave wrote:

Skronk wrote:You're just arguing semantics now. There is no fundamental difference between Marxism and Communism, but there is a difference between theoretical communism and applied communism.

Naturally, because we're discussing the meanings of words. There is no "just" semantics.

It's only natural because you may not see that Marxism is Communism, there's nothing that would definitively say that they are different.

When a government recognizes that "Communism" is a negative word, they automatically jump to "Marxism', even if they're polices and actions don't change. It's a way of sugar coating shit.

This isn't something that I think you can back up.

Communism is, specifically, the ideal government that is incurred by the dictatorship of the proletariat. A classless society. Marxism is much wider term.

clocker bob wrote:

Aneurhythmia wrote:

clocker bob wrote:

Aneurhythmia wrote:I was under the impression that the context was individualism, not the broad meaning of individual as a person.

Then why did you try and make the very dumb point that 'individual' is antithetical to conspiracy, if your objective was to discuss individualism and not the broad meaning of individual as a person?

I...

What?

What what?

clocker bob wrote:Conspiracy theory is the idea that individuals are the root cause of all events, you idiot.

Aneurhythmia wrote:Errr, aren't the individual and "conspiracy" explicitly antithetical?

http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 003#432003
Memory failing you?

Right, but the quote I initially commented on was made in reference to individualism...

big_dave wrote:There was plenty of dissent amoungst the military, and although the invasion of Russia might have been a tragic fantasy for the German military, it would be hard for me to honestly chalk it up to one man. Looking at the Africa campaign, and the wasteful, cruel attacks against the UK we can see a less monomaniac military than we can on the Russian front. If Hitler had one express decision here, it was probably to keep the dissent close to home, rather than to the East.

Hitler was the one that instigated the assault in the first place. None of it would have happened without his expressed permission. The orders came from him first, then whatever an over zealous commander did, was after. That's why you had two different faces on the same army.

big_dave wrote:Kristalnacht, anti-semetic propaganda and the Reichstag fire were as much products of a group of men as one individual. In truth, hatred for the Jews in Germany had been boiling for over a decade.

Hitler knew how to warp and manipulate public opinion. After all, he was voted into power. Without Hitler, you had a powder keg without a match. He was the spark.

big_dave wrote:This isn't something that I think you can back up.

Communism is, specifically, the ideal government that is incurred by the dictatorship of the proletariat. A classless society. Marxism is much wider term.

I can back it up.

Where on Earth have you seen a Communist nation where the people were in control? Nowhere. It's a farce. There's always been a ruling elite, even if on the outside they call themselves"Communist", or "Democratic". It's never "for the people".

A classless society does not exist. "Marxism" is a new mask on an old, ugly face (ideology).

There is no "ideal government", power would not be power if there were nothing to enforce it upon, such as the working class. Hence, they will never get power, even if propaganda makes them believe they have it.

There is no inherent difference between Marxism and Communism, if there is, you haven't pointed it out.

Aneurhythmia wrote:

clocker bob wrote:Conspiracy theory is the idea that individuals are the root cause of all events, you idiot.

Aneurhythmia wrote:Errr, aren't the individual and "conspiracy" explicitly antithetical?

http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 003#432003
Memory failing you?

Aneurhythmia wrote:Right, but the quote I initially commented on was made in reference to individualism...

Why didn't you quote it in context?
http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewto ... 003#432003

Beyond that, your idiotic question:

Aneurhythmia wrote:Errr, aren't the individual and "conspiracy" explicitly antithetical?

Stands alone.

You thought that 'individual' and 'conspiracy' are anthithetical. They are not. You are dumb, and also a troll.

Aneurhythmia wrote:Errr, aren't the individual and "conspiracy" explicitly antithetical?

clocker bob wrote:How dumb can you get? Antithetical means diametrical opposition. If, by necessity, a conspiracy must include individuals to exist, then an individual is a necessary component of a conspiracy. By your retarded logic, a basketball player is only a basketball player when he stands on the court alone- according to you, a basketball player who joins a basketball team is no longer a basketball player.

When you figure out what 'antithetical' means, you'll be a better troll.

big_dave wrote:Communism is, specifically, the ideal government that is incurred by the dictatorship of the proletariat. A classless society. Marxism is much wider term.

You do realize that in the scheme of Marxism, "the dictatorship of the proletariat" is only a transitory state between our Capitalist Society and a "classless" Communist one?

Also, I wouldn't put much faith into the whole business, I don't believe you do, but it's worth noting that Marx was one of the Bourgeoisie.

To go back and answer this fully:

big_dave wrote:
This isn't something that I think you can back up.

Haven't you ever thought that "The People's Republic Of China" as a name, is a crock of shit?

I've read a bunch of Bob's posts but I cannot recall if he has ever proposed a specific conspiracy or if so whether it was small or large.

But Bob's many posts and links have definitely altered my opinion on 9/11. So I voted yes.

clocker bob wrote: Why didn't you quote it in context?

Because I posted shortly after you did, so I assumed the context was still clear.

clocker bob wrote:You thought that 'individual' and 'conspiracy' are anthithetical. They are not. You are dumb, and also a troll.

No, I thought you were using a narrow definition of "individual" appropriate to the discussion of individualism, not a broader definition.

clocker bob wrote:When you figure out what 'antithetical' means, you'll be a better troll.

When you figure out what "troll" really means, your understanding of social interaction with others will probably reduce your risk of stroke a good 85%.

clocker bob wrote:You thought that 'individual' and 'conspiracy' are anthithetical. They are not. You are dumb, and also a troll.

Aneurhythmia wrote:No, I thought you were using a narrow definition of "individual" appropriate to the discussion of individualism, not a broader definition.

There is no definition of 'individual', either narrow or broad, that defines it in a way that makes it antithetical to a conspiracy, because a conspiracy involves individuals. I thought you only misunderstood the word 'antithetical', but it's obvious that you also don't know how to use 'individual' or 'conspiracy' in a sentence either.

If you are trying to say that an 'individualist' would never be part of a conspiracy, that is also wrong. Individualism does not demand that individuals live completely apart from society. Individualists are opposed to state interference with their lives- they are not opposed to working with others. John Galt left what he felt was a collectivist society and recruited like- minded others to assist him in building an alternate society. He did so in secret, also, so Galt was both an individualist and a conspirator.

Aneurhythmia wrote:Errr, aren't the individual and "conspiracy" explicitly antithetical?

Come up with some new bullshit, Troll.

trilonaut wrote:

mr.arrison wrote:Collective Soul

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chet wrote:

trilonaut wrote:

mr.arrison wrote:Collective Soul

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Thanks a lot assholes now you've polluted the stereo in my head.



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