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Mandroid2.0 wrote:
As a young man, I had two favorite subjects, science and religion.


As a student at a Catholic High School in the seventies, I took a course called "Science and Religion". This class was good in the fact that it taught me that some of the biblical references (such as the parting of the Red Sea) should not be taken so literally. The class was taught by a Christian brother, and was the first time in my life that I felt that the Catholic church wasn't using me a vessel for their propaganda to get to my parents' pocketbook.
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Boombats wrote:

So this hollow earth thing is a very Mormon type ish.


I don't think it's exclusively a Mormon concept, I think it's a Christian-wide concept called Hell. I believe the Jews and Moslems have versions of it too. The word Agarta, which appeared on a previous post here, is, I think, a Buddhist conception of an inner earth.


But on the Mormon connection, there's this site with ancient book cover scans:

http://subterraneus.blogspot.com/

from which comes this:

Aphrodite reversed, 1895

One of the most famous and enigmatic hollow earth novels is Etidorpha, published in 1895. H.P. Lovecraft had read it (and observed the curious, backwards spelling of Aphrodite). Written by John Uri Lloyd (1849 - 1936) and magnificently illustrated by J. Augustus Knapp, it was so succesful that it became translated into Swedish (1898) and German (1899), is still in print today. Lloyd, a pharmacist, wrote eight novels. The royalties from these and Etidorhpa, his first, served to expand his pharmaceutical library, one of the largest in the United States. As to the identity of the enigmatic guide in Etidorpha called I Am The Man, hollow earth bibliographer Bruce Alan Walton points towards James Morgan, a Freemason who published the secrets of the craft in 1826 and for that allegedly was murdered by his brethren. It is also suggested that Morgan knew Mormon Joseph Smith: he "had been a half way convert... and had learned from him to see visions and dreams..." Morgan's widow would marry Smith. But what about that strange book Etidorpha? Lloyd wrote: "Etidorhpa is not an idle creation. The mission of this book is unseen by most of its readers. The thought current will be felt though by every reader and it pains me to appreciate the fact that to some the beauties of the work will serve but to deepen their hatred of conceptions holy and sublime..."

From this page of correspondence:

http://www.ourhollowearth.com/Emails.htm

was this:

----- Original Message -----
From: member@ebelieve.net
To: rodneycluff@cox.net
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:55 AM
Subject: About the earth hollow
 
Hello,
I have been reading about a “hollow earth” and am fascinated with the idea. I understand that you are Mormon, is this a Mormon belief? Can a person who is not Mormon believe it? The government must know about this hollow earth. Are they covering it up?
Bev

REPLY:

Bev,
 
The hollow earth theory is not a Mormon belief.  However, according to one survey about 4% of Latter-day Saints do believe in the hollow earth as a viable location for the possible location of the lost ten tribes of Israel.  I have a lot of friends that aren't LDS that believe in the hollow planets theory.  I am certain the government knows about this and are covering it up from the general public.  It is, in fact, the World TOP Secret, that our earth, the moon, the sun and every planet in the heavens are hollow, and most are probably inhabited by humans INSIDE.
 
Thank you for your interest,
 
Rodney M. Cluff, author
World Top Secret:  Our Earth Is Hollow!
http://www.ourhollowearth.com

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_Christian_beliefs

Hell, as it is perceived in the Western population, has its origins in Hellenized Christianity, particularly taken the Judaic belief of Hell from verses such as 2 Chronicles 28:3; 33:6; 2 Kings 23:10. Some say the concept comes from the Greek mythological belief at the time. One must keep in mind that these were the people early Christianity was ministering to and some symbols might be taken from their belief to make Christianity easier to understand in their way of thinking.
Judaism, at least initially,[1] believed in Sheol, a shadowy existence to which all were sent indiscriminately. Sheol may have been little more than a poetic metaphor for death, not really an afterlife at all: see for example Sirach and Isaiah 14:3-11. However, by the third to second century B.C. the idea had grown to encompass a far more complex concept. Notably, the King James Version of the Old Testament translates "Sheol" as both "the grave" and as "hell." [1]
The New Hebrew Sheol was translated in the Septuagint as 'Hades', the name for the underworld in Greek mythology and is still considered to be distinct from "Hell" by Eastern Orthodox Christians. In Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries and Concordances it is transliterated "Sheh-ole". The Lake of Fire and realm of Eternal Punishment in Hellenistic mythology was in fact Tartarus. Hades was not Hell in Hellenistic mythology, but was rather a form of limbo where the dead went to be judged. The New Testament uses this word, but it also uses the word 'Gehenna', from the valley of Hinnom, a valley near Jerusalem originally used as a location in which human sacrifices were offered to an idol called "Molech" (or Moloch).
2 Kings 23.10 (on King Josiah's reform):
And he defiled the Tophet, which is in the valley of Ben-hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter pass through the fire lmlk.
Jeremiah 32.35:
And they built the high places of the Ba‘al, which are in the valley of Ben-hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire lmlk; which I did not command them, nor did it come into my mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
It was later used as a landfill in order to emphasize the disgusting nature of its original use. Ancient landfills were very unsanitary and unpleasant when compared to modern landfills; these places were filled with rotting garbage and the Hebrews would periodically burn them down. However, by that point they were generally so large that they would burn for weeks or even months. In other words they were fiery mountains of garbage. The early Christian teaching was that the damned would be burnt in the valley just as the garbage was. (It is ironic to note that the valley of Hinnom today is, far from being a garbage dump, a public park.) It is argued by theologians opposed to the concept of hell, but desirous to defend the Bible as a source, that a reference to a place on Earth where rubbish was burnt cannot refer to any conscious after-death state.[citation needed]
Punishment for the damned and reward for the saved is a constant theme of Christianity.

Gospels frequently portray images of the fiery destruction and torment of the wicked. Sometimes this destruction is their annihilation or eternal punishment when God's Kingdom gets established on earth (Matthew 3:10-12, Matthew 25:41-46, Luke 3:9, John 5:28-29). Other times it is the fate of the individual sinner (Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:29-30, Luke 12:5, John 15:1-6). Sometimes the fate of the wicked is depicted not as flames or destruction but as darkness or exclusion (Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, Matthew 25:30, Luke 13:22-28, Luke 16:19-28). Jesus himself describes a place of "weeping and gnashing of teeth"; this quotation appears six times in Matthew and once in Luke.
The Book of Revelation is also a rich source of hellish imagery(Revelation 12:9, Revelation 14:9-11, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10, Revelation 20:14-15, Revelation 21:8). The "abyss" and "the Earth" are interpreted as references to Hell.
The most vivid New Testament account of the fate of the wicked in the afterlife is Luke 16:19-28 (Lazarus and Dives). In this account, nobody can pass from the bosom of Abraham to the place where the wicked burn or vice versa. Fire is not the only tormentor, thirst being another, and more that are not described; in this biblical passage it is also mentioned that the souls that are in Hell can see those that are in Heaven and vice versa. Many view this story as a parable, and as such, believe its meaning may not literally define the existence in the afterlife, but instead serve as a lesson about the dangers of wealth and the unwillingness to listen to God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell

Although generally hell is often portrayed as a hot steaming and tormenting place for sinners there is one hell pit which is characterized differently from the other hell in Islamic tradition. Wail is seen as the coldest and the most freezing hell of all, yet its coldness is not seen as a pleasure or a relief to the sinners who committed crimes against God because the state of the Hell of Wail is a suffering of extreme coldness of blizzards ice and snow which no one on this earth can bear.
The lowest pit of all existing hells is the Hawiyah which is meant for the Hypocrites and two-faced people who claimed to believe in Allah and His messenger by mouth but denounce both in heart. Hypocrisy is the most dangerous sins of all despite the fact that Syirk (association of God with His creation) is the greatest sin viewed by Allah.
The lightest torture given by God in the hereafter to the unbeliever has been said to be given to Abu Talib. He was the father of Ali bin Abi Talib the fourth Caliph and the uncle of Muhammad. He helped Muhammad in his mission but failed to denounce his ancestral worship of pagan idols. He was said according the prophet to have suffered from the burning under his feet which makes his brain boiled.
The Qur'an also says that some of those who are damned to hell are not damned forever, but instead for an indefinite period of time. In any case, there is good reason to believe that punishment in Hell is not meant to actually last eternally, but instead serves as a basis for spiritual rectification.[5]
Even though the devil, or shaytan, is created from fire, he suffers in hell because hellfire is 70 times hotter than the fire of this world. It was also said that Shaytan is derived from shata, (literally `burned'), because it was created from a smokless fire. [6]

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Portal into Hollow Mars photographed:
space.com 6-6-07 wrote:Deep Hole Found on Mars

A very dark spot on Mars could be an entrance to a deep hole or cavern, according to scientists studying imagery taken by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.

The geological oddity measures some 330 feet (100 meters) across and is located on an otherwise bright dusty lava plain to the northeast of Arsia Mons, one of the four giant Tharsis volcanoes on the red planet.

The hole might be the sort of place that could support life or serve as a habitat for future astronauts, researchers speculated.

The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) used its High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) instrument to draw a bead on the apparent deep hole - a feature that may cause more scientists to ponder about potential subsurface biology on Mars.

Because the spot lacks a raised rim or tossed out material called ejecta, researchers have ruled out the pit being an impact crater. No walls or other details can be seen inside the hole, and so any possible walls might be perfectly vertical and extremely dark or - more likely - overhanging.

HiRISE image specialists said the pit must be very deep to prevent detection of the floor from natural daylight, which is quite bright on Mars.


'perfectly vertical' like it was drilled?
Image

This feature on Mars is a candidate cavern entrance. It is northeast of Arsia Mons – one of the four giant Tharsis volcanoes on the red planet. Credit: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona

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Boombats wrote:[url=http://www.voyagehollowearth.com/hollow_earth_trip_itinerary.html]"Voyage to
Our Hollow Earth
CANCELLED".[/url]

Wackadouchebags wrote:Days 9-11 Start the search for the North Polar Opening to the Inner Continent.
Days 12-14 Once found, travel up Hiddekel River to City of Jehu. *
Days 15-16 Take a monorail trip to City of Eden to visit Palace of the King of the Inner World.
Days 17-18 Return trip back to City of Jehu on the monorail. We will then continue our journey through the North Polar Opening, on board the Yamal, for the return trip home.

* Please note that if we are unable to find the Polar opening, we will be returning via the New Siberian Islands to visit skeleton remains of exotic animals thought to originate from Inner Earth.


So this hollow earth thing is a very Mormon type ish.


"* Please note that if we are unable to find the Polar opening, we will be returning via the New Siberian Islands to visit skeleton remains of exotic animals thought to originate from Inner Earth."

Well, that's almost as good!

For $18,950 to $20,950, I'd expect to see something besides a whole lot of ice.
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frelnamp wrote:Aphrodite reversed, 1895

One of the most famous and enigmatic hollow earth novels is Etidorpha, published in 1895. H.P. Lovecraft had read it (and observed the curious, backwards spelling of Aphrodite). Written by John Uri Lloyd (1849 - 1936) and magnificently illustrated by J. Augustus Knapp, it was so succesful that it became translated into Swedish (1898) and German (1899), is still in print today.


I'd go see a band called "Etidorpha"...

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