Skronk wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:Well if we're talking art, let's talk art. What about the difference between designing a logo or corporate ID for them, or offering your paintings in their stores for sale.

Isn't that a more reasonable analogy than equating mopping a floor with creating art?

Why anyone would want to enter into the advertising/design business is beyond me, but it is a job. It is for a paycheck. Let's not lose that distinction.

That's all it is, but it pays better than mopping a floor, plus it's relatively comfortable, it carries its own challenges and some degree of respect.

But in the end, you're expending your own creative energy on somebody else's project, and that's fine as long as you feel all right about the thing you're promoting. However, if you are trying to do good work promoting something you don't have any confidence in, that's when you start to dread going in to work every day.

Gramsci wrote:How is this any different from selling your records on Geffen?

Back up about 6 pages.

-A

Colonel Panic wrote:I think blaming Sonic Youth for Kurt Cobain's suicide is going a little far, just for the sake of dramatics.

I have lost several good friends to drugs and other excesses, but I don't feel right blaming others for that. We make our own decisions.

Couldn't agree more. Had i been a member of SY, though, i would have felt a twinge of guilt amongst all the grief. But i was raised Catholic, so take that for what it's worth.

Mr. Chimp wrote:Coco's gotta go to college.

I was going to bring this up a while back, because there is consistently this argument in rock circles about creating a seemingly nefarious corporate relationship because "hey man, it's just money, and I'm going to take it and do something cool and artistic or pay for my child's future. I'm ripping them off, in a way!"

Henry Rollins did an interview that was along this line. Saying that the Gap were a bunch of corporate shills, and he was using them and taking that money and starting a publishing company, and that is still punk rock.

Thurston Moore did an interview where he was talking about how he was giving it to the record label by buying lots of records in japan, and making the record company pay for it! Punk rock!

I disagree. You sleep with the people you make the bed with, to bastardize an old adage. If you think that by creating a relationship with something that you inherently supposedly disagree with, and then use that relationship to your advantage, in my opinion, you are an opportunist in the ugly sense of the word, and have a poor sense of ethics.

Minotaur029 wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:I think blaming Sonic Youth for Kurt Cobain's suicide is going a little far, just for the sake of dramatics.

I have lost several good friends to drugs and other excesses, but I don't feel right blaming others for that. We make our own decisions.

He made it clear in an earlier post that this is NOT the way he felt...he was just putting the idea out there.

emmanuelle cunt wrote:That's probably why no one is doing it here.

Well, that starts getting into an area of morality that is very fuzzy, to what degree we are responsible for the well-being of our friends and associates. When somebody holds a position of economic or professional prominence or authority, they often end up with some degree of power over (and by extension, responsibility for) other people around them.

DrAwkward wrote:Couldn't agree more. Had i been a member of SY, though, i would have felt a twinge of guilt amongst all the grief. But i was raised Catholic, so take that for what it's worth.

Believe me, I know the feeling.

so is thurston moore the shady A & R guy who fronts as "one of us" from the problem with music essay?

i don't think that's fair.

Colonel Panic wrote:I think blaming Sonic Youth for Kurt Cobain's suicide is going a little far, just for the sake of dramatics.

Haven't SY publicly supported the 'suspicious death' theory?

Kind of off-topic, sorry.

hogrot wrote:so is thurston moore the shady A & R guy who fronts as "one of us" from the problem with music essay?

i don't think that's fair.

No, but it's hard to believe they would've been naive enough to think signing to a major was a good idea for a lot of bands. After Aternative got big it was bizarre who and what major labels were interested in. Grunge! Women! Outsider Wierdos! Venerable Underground Bands Past Their Prime! They tried everything...

Maybe it would be better to pose these questions on Sonic Youth's message board...

you go on ahead, we'll catch up with you.