Earwicker wrote:

tmidgett wrote:A 'high' is something extra. Returning to sanity isn't my idea of something extra.

You mean 'extra' like vomiting, sleeplessness, loss of libido - that sort of thing?

happyandbored wrote:

Earwicker wrote:You don’t see your double standard do you?

There is no double standard.

As I am now pointing out for the second time, I never actually said anything about who deserves medication and who does not - that is for a doctor or pyschiatrist to decide.

happyandbored wrote:Unless either of you have actually studied this or have some pool of life experiences that you're not telling us about, then both yours and Rick's opinions on mental health are worth about as much as a drama student's opinion on rocket science.

happyandbored wrote:I was criticising Rick's attitude to depression and those suffering from it.

happyandbored wrote:As for my family history, erm, yes I think that does make my views slightly more informed than many others. I've also done a small amount of reading on the topic and spoken to both friends and family about their experiences.

happyandbored wrote:Rick could have made the same point by suggesting that a mild depressive should be recommend exercise or refered to councilling before being prescribed medication, but instead he choose to insult the vulnerable.

tmidgett wrote:Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Goodbye.

tmidgett wrote:Huh?

Is that your idea of a high, then?

....

Your conspiracy theory involving the great ??? and the 'blah blah' is very interesting.

>>the continued use of addictive drugs that don't cure anything at all

Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Goodbye.

Earwicker wrote:but, maybe, it's because you don't know what you are talking about.

tmidgett wrote:The most recent research on SSRIs indicates that the brain can suffer an actual, physical injury in situations of extreme emotional duress.

The brain is used by its bearer to think things out and cope with whatever.

To allow coping, the brain uses neurotransmitters to send signals within itself.

Serotonin (a neurotransmitter) has to be 'held' in receptors for the brain to use it.

When the brain burns through an inordinate amount of serotonin in short order, those receptors are weakened and start to do a bad job of holding serotonin.

The brain ends up doing a poor job of sending signals at the very time its bearer needs it the most.

SSRIs make those receptors 'sticky' again, which allows the brain to retain serotonin longer and more efficiently. Over time, activity returns to something approaching normality (though perhaps never what it was before the injury). At this time (6mos, a year, maybe a longer period of time after treatment began), the user can try being weaned (with medical supervision) from the drug.

Recovery from this condition is possible without drugs. You can also just wait for a cut to stop bleeding on its own. But it can take forfuckingever, and untended recovery is not necessarily wise in either case.

To call SSRIs 'not crap' in this application is like calling a splint and physical therapy 'not crap.'

Rick Reuben wrote:There's a lot of classic liberal handwringing in this thread, bunch of 'everybody is a victim' bullshit. It's like the people that sue Hershey Chocolate for making their ass too big for a bus seat- nobody is accountable for their mistakes. There's always some cause beyond a person's control for every ditch they dig for themselves. Jesus...

Earlier in this thread, i wrote:As with any drug, it should be taken in addition to the lifestyle changes necessary to improve one's life. Antidepressants should be prescribed along with therapy or whatever else is needed to get a person to deal with their shit. When someone's morbidly overweight, sure, you can get liposuction or gastric bypass, but they should still exercise, right? (Not the best analogy, i know.)

Earwicker wrote:You are presuming I don't have those 'life experiences'

You are presuming wrong.

Earwicker wrote:Am I to take it you don't think they are over subscribed?
You agree with the doctors cause they've all been through medical school?

Earwicker wrote:And you have steadfastly failed to consider that I (or Rick - who, again, can speak for himself) might have similar life experience or done a small amount of reading.

Earwicker wrote:Why should everyone tip toe round saying such obvious things for fear of the PC police coming and kicking the door in?

Dr Awkward quotes tmidgett wrote:The most recent research on SSRIs indicates that the brain can suffer an actual, physical injury in situations of extreme emotional duress.
etc etc

Earwicker wrote:However, this post tells us how they work. Great, we can all look that up in Wikipedia or New Scientist.
What it doesn't do is discuss the implications of the drug.
Personal and social.
That's what I'm interested in.
Mr Midgett has added nothing to that other than eye rolling and tutting. This, in my experience, is the sign that someone has nothing to say.