Well I've been taught that there are some things that are best not discussed out in the open.

And Marsup, I don't need anybody to give me a job.

J. Burns wrote:Drink until you puke. Take massive bong hits before breakfast. Pop two or three vicodin. I really don't give a shit...

Vicodins are opiates too. Part of the same problem. Any recovering junkie who starts popping vikes is likely to be back on the dope again in short order.

I think the kangaroo was referring to me. Anyway, yeah Vicodin etc. is the same shit. I have to laugh at people who act holier-than-thou about their pills or their coke, pretendng that it's better than heroin or crack. Good luck with that one people, see you at the Methadone clinic.

PS. Why is there no such thing as Crackadone???

dontfeartheringo wrote:

Drink until you puke. Take massive bong hits before breakfast. Pop two or three vicodin. I really don't give a shit. Hell, you can snort a line of coke, and two out of three times I'll look the other way. It's not like I'm straight edge or anything. But seriously, if I catch any of my friends doing this crap, they're going to be in a lot of trouble with me.

I have to say, no disrespect intended, but as someone who has struggled and then given it up, I feel pretty strongly that none of this will work. YMMV...

I think he meant more that he doesn't care what people do as long as it's not heroin, and not so much "If you're craving a fix, do this shit instead"....

It's not as bad as heroin, why? Because you're popping pills instead of sniffing it or injecting? Because it's pharmaceutical?

Vicodin, Darvon, Tylenol 3, Percodan, Oxycontin, Demerol, Dilaudid, liquid morphine sulfate, Brompton's solution, etc. etc. etc., it's all the same shit. They're all opioids, and all opioids are addictive in the same way. Any ex-heroin user who messes with any of them enough is likely going to end up using heroin again.

Boombats wrote:
Anyway I'm not fucking around, but I figured there's gotta be some folks in the forum that know what I'm talking about, and talking about it is the best way to beat the beast. Tanx

Is this your way of spelling "thanks" or are you addressing me?

I don't know if I posted about it on this forum before.

I haven't touched it in 11 years and I only smoked it a few times. I still remember the vile fucking taste though.

Rotten Tanx wrote:

Boombats wrote:
Anyway I'm not fucking around, but I figured there's gotta be some folks in the forum that know what I'm talking about, and talking about it is the best way to beat the beast. Tanx

Is this your way of spelling "thanks" or are you addressing me?

I don't know if I posted about it on this forum before.

I haven't touched it in 11 years and I only smoked it a few times. I still remember the vile fucking taste though.

Whups, I was just saying "thanx." But hey, welcome to the thread.

Colonel Panic wrote:Well I've been taught that there are some things that are best not discussed out in the open.

And Marsup, I don't need anybody to give me a job.

J. Burns wrote:Drink until you puke. Take massive bong hits before breakfast. Pop two or three vicodin. I really don't give a shit...

Vicodins are opiates too. Part of the same problem. Any recovering junkie who starts popping vikes is likely to be back on the dope again in short order.

I wasn't talking about you, I'd probably hire you if it came down to it.
Seem like a decent fella, fairly clean and mild mannered. I'd suspect you may steal some office products, but hey...that I can live with.

Yes vicodin are terribly hard to get off of once you go over the edge with them.
I myself have given the fuckers up and am feeling much, much better for it. I am starting to realize that I was taking a shitload of pills to get to where I feel normally on no pills, if that makes any sense.
It gets ridiculous with the pills because you end up taking insane amounts just to get the zing that half of one used to give you. It happens very fast, and the addiction kicks in real quick like as well. Take them for a week straight and you are gonna feel it when you stop. You can imagine how bad it was after like, 6 or 7 years of taking them.
The thing about drugs is, they are always a let down. ALWAYS. You are forever chasing that first great high, and it never comes back.
Plus eventually the drugs run out or dry up or you go broke.
It's just not a good solid foundation to build the rest of your shit on top of.
Just smoke some weed and have a few beers, nothing wrong with that.

Well that's at the center of the problem with opiates. There's an implied promise that never fully gets delivered upon.

You quickly become accustomed to the effects and need more and more to get high. Meanwhile, you start feeling sick without it. You may deal with the sickness and stop using until it passes, but the allure of the drug is still there, so many people just go right back to it after they feel better again.

And so begins a long-term game you play with yourself, indulging for awhile, then paying for it with sickness and pain, then indulging again. Each time, you may try a little more, and you start to use more and more often until you just say, "Hell, I could live high like this every day. I've already proven to myself that I'm capable of suffering through the quitting process." So it becomes an everyday thing for weeks or months at a time. And of course, you need more and more to even feel it. You realize this escalation is a serious problem, so you start making excuses to raise your intake. "I have a headache today, so I'm going to do an extra little bit." The higher dosages you take and the more often you use, the worse is the pain when you stop. Eventually, quitting becomes a terrifying proposition because the pain becomes almost unbearable within less than a day of your last dose.

It's one of the worst things you can possibly do to yourself. Best to just leave all that shit alone. No good will come of it, believe me.

If you're sick or injured and a doctor prescribes it, that's one thing. But even then, you have to be careful.

Marsupialized wrote:

Colonel Panic wrote:The only reason why I said this might not be a good place to discuss drug problems is that there are more anonymous forums for this kind of thing.

I did not mean to imply that discussing anything serious here that can help somebody is a bad thing. Sometimes it's not such a good idea to broadcast your history with drugs to a community where you can be easily identified.

Perhaps I should have clarified that in my first post above.

what like one of us won't give him a job now or something?
I wouldn't have hired the motherfucker anyway

You wouldn't hire fat women.
You wouldn't hire people who go to AA meetings.
You wouldn't hire yuppies or rich kids.
You wouldn't hire religious people.

Who the fuck would you hire?

lemur68 wrote:I think he meant more that he doesn't care what people do as long as it's not heroin, and not so much "If you're craving a fix, do this shit instead"....

That's exactly what I meant. Thanks for helping me clear that up.