some douche wrote: Spyro Gyra

This was my favorite part.

otisroom wrote:Yikes....

I can't believe someone would start this thread here of all places.

It's the definition of barking up the wrong tree.

Who cares what tests they do. Who gives a fuck shit about this.
Jesus just go make records and shut up already.

Fug

i think it's pertinent information to any engineer to at least know what's going on in the world about them. i don't use PT but realize many people do and having our collective heads in the sand about the engineering world about us doesn't help anyone.

i know greg uses DP on many sessions, and corey the intern uses PT at EA, and there's a PT rig here that bjorn uses - so, it's relevant info for the studio. i use DP there as well. no idea bout san palo or rob - but suspect they've used computers at some point on the job as well. that dude who did the new pelican record used PT at EA. bob uses DP. steve's probably the only one who hasn't done a session with a computer there.

it's also somewhat of a reaction to "the chicago test" (search old PSW archives) on digidesign's part - which steve was instrumental in - so it's on topic.

i don't think the post proves anything either way and sure who cares - but it's engineering news, and many engineers read here. congleton responded - i know he uses PT and is a great engineer respected by many posters here.

all the quibbles with the relative crappiness of the aesthetics of the bands are kinda inconsequential - it was meant to be a technical laboratory experiment and the relative suckiness of the bands is immaterial. professional engineers have to work on aesthetically to them sucky records all the time.

on a lighter note, digi is just leveling the aesthetic scales since steve used high on fire as the source for the chicago test and they had to put some suck up there to even the scales....

also fwiw - i wasn't that into that ken andrews song, but i did like failure and his year of the rabbit stuff, and to further tie it in, remember steve recorded failure's first record at pachyderm in the 90s.

I liked the test. I think there's a pretty big difference in the ambiance and "airy-ness" of the mixes, the analog having more. I also think that considering the audio is not even CD quality that being able to hear a difference just shows that the actual difference must be substantial. I was listening with Sony MDR-7506 headphones, which made sense to me, why would you post if your attitude towards passing judgment in a critical listening test is to listen on your shitty computer speakers?

To me it seems like Digidesign is saying "hey look, all the parts in the mix sound the same don't they?", but I can't imagine them trying to defend their point to the golden ear mastering guys.

Perfect Man wrote: to allow Johnny Sixpack to lie on his back in his bathtub at home and record a rock album.

Perfect Man wrote:AmateurTools is no match for a Studer. It is not even a match for a good cassette deck. It just sounds like crap. The only thing it is good for is to make bad bands sound good and to allow Johnny Sixpack to lie on his back in his bathtub at home and record a rock album.

You heard it here folks, from the perfect man.

i don't know about perfect man_ but I have the "big pro-Tool"

I record nearly all "in the box" but I do not use protools. Protools is too damn expensive, too proprietary and I find it counter intuitive. Even if Protools was capable of sounding exactly like an analog rig..so what? It is still a completely different workflow and it simply does not agree with a lot of people. Sound quality or character is only one of the reasons that folks who are loyal to analog remain loyal to it. Feel, workflow, sound quality/character, tactile tangibility, tradition, collecting and maintaining the individual pieces of gear (which can ALL play together nicely) are all factors that may contribute to someones preference to a mixing desk and tape over Protools or digital in general. No matter how "warm" digital audio character may become, it will always be a "cold" environment / interface. I can deal with the cold , I like the convenience and affordability (again not PRO TOOLS) it offers me and it works well with what I do but I also understand and appreciate the romantic and sonic appeal of analog.