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Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:
Wood Goblin wrote:
Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:Or being intentionally provocative--writing something merely to get a rise out of the reader. That is, basing what you write on the effect you assume it will have on the reader rather than on what the story/poem/essay requires.


Excellent point. I'll amend it by adding that I despise the romanticized writer's persona that I associate with Charles Bukowski, wherein the discipline of writing takes a back seat to "writerly" behavior (bar fighting, drinking way too much, womanizing, gambling away your money, and losing jobs). Bukowski, it's worth noting, never revised his poems, even though he'd regularly whip out several in a single morning. He believed that revision somehow compromised the poem. This indicates to me that being a writer interested him more than the actual writing.


Maybe so. Or it could just be the kind of juvenile idealism one often finds in drunks. Or a convenient rationalization for laziness. Your comments also describe how I feel about much of Hunter Thompson's work. Both have their moments, but if they hadn't tirelessly cultivated such marketable personas, I suspect that no one would have ever heard of them. I'm kinda over the whole Burroughs persona, too, though I grant that he was a much more serious writer (or maybe just much better) than either Thompson or Bukowski.




"Juvenile idealism" is a good way of describing it, Brett. A lot of drunks hang onto it even after they quit drinking....

I think both HST and Bukowski did good things. But I'm not as sure of that as I might have been several years ago. It doesn't wear well for me. I have revisited it in recent years, and it doesn't read anywhere near the way it did when I was in my early 20s.

It should go w/o saying that their influence on others has been almost universally unfortunate.

Burroughs-the-caricature gets old the same way Apocalypse Culture, most of the Re/Search stuff, and Answer Me! get old. All that shit seems pretty tame after you've seen the tallest buildings in New York City get knocked down with a bunch of people inside of them. Or a quarter million people get wiped out by a tsunami. Or an entire American city get submerged and destroyed. Etc.

Burroughs-the-writer, I find to be for the ages. The publicity he got as a 'character' is unfortunate in that it obscures the artistry, emotional content, and even beauty of much of his work.
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I just bashed this out this morning (first draft) and I'm not sure where it's going yet. More of a rough sketch than a scene or story yet.

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“Good night.”

Just a whisper, an exhalation with consonants like the beating of flies' wings. Before he could wonder who said it, his world went black. And now “wonder” and “who” and “world” meant nothing. Were nothing. Nothing was nothing. He felt suffocated, though he wasn’t breathing. Just a weight on his mind like a heavy book on his chest, pushing out thought, squeezing identity through cosmic cracks, oozing, sliding down and away from a void. Then….then stillness. And light.

“What the fuck was that?” he said and started at the hollow quality of his voice. No, not hollow. Spectral. Those words hadn’t come from his throat. He said them but they hadn’t come from him. Just materialized around him. And to his leaping terror, more words, not his own, did the same.

“I’d say a 9mm. Took out the anterior and posterior frontal lobe too. Bet you didn’t even feel it! Damn!”

“Fuck! Who are you? Where are you?”

Another whisper like the first, a cobweb in his ear. “Who do you think I am?” He felt himself, something like himself, jump straight up. Grinding bone-on-bone laughter from behind and to his right (did he have a right?).

“Sorry about that, man. But that bit never gets old.”

Coalescing as he turned was the shimmering figure of a young man, not unlike him. Medium height, a shock of unruly black hair over his right eye, long limbs and loose elbows.

“Who the fuck are you?”

“Hey, take it easy, man. Don’t get ‘em in a knot.”

“Get what in a knot?! There's nothing to knot! I can’t feel anything. I can’t even feel my feet. Everything’s all fucking dust and moonlight. I feel like I’m in a Wes Craven….hang on, did you say 9mm?”

“Mmmhmmm.”

“I was shot.”

“Fucking A.”

“Sooooo….what? I’m unconscious in the ambulance and I’m dreaming?”

“Dude, do you even know what your frontal lobe is? That shit is GONE. You don’t get ambulance rides and wacky dreams when your frontal lobe is all over the passenger’s seat of your Camry.”

He collapsed. No, he tried to collapse. No knees to buckle. No vision to narrow. No breath to whoosh out.

“Fuck! I can’t even fucking panic properly! What the fuck?!”

“You really like that word, huh?”

“Hey, fuck you, man! I just died, okay? I’m a little on edge and yeah, I fucking like to curse.”

“You people are always such babies about this.”

“Look, are you here for a reason or do you heckle fresh corpses for fun?”

“Sparkling personality, a wonderful vocabulary, and you’re bright to boot.”

“I’m not so dead I can’t pick up sarcasm.”

“You really don’t know who I am?”

“Come on! Where’s the robe? The skeletal fingers? You don’t honestly expect me to believe you’re…you know…”

“Death. The Grim Reaper. The Boatman. Yama. You got it.”

“No robe? No pasty face? No scythe?”

“What are we, in a Bergman movie?”

“And what’s with the way you talk? You sound like…well, like me, but without so much cursing.”

“How should I sound? ‘Thine thread hast Atropos cut and thine mortal journey endeth.’ Come on. I’m Eternal. You know, outside time? I look and talk however I want. It’s just easier to communicate with you people if I talk the way you do.”

“Seems like a bit of a rip-off.”

“Well, fuck you, man. I’m not putting on a puppet show here.”
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Rick Reuben wrote:Best Writers On The EAF ( not in order )

Kerble

Marsupialized

tmidgett

Justin from Queens

Steve

burun

Earwicker

Adam CR

Sparky

Boombats

Tommydski

Me

Mr. Chimp

Warmowski

Lemur 68

Simmo

From the top of my head- I'm sure I missed a few.


Missed BER, holmes. And Nina. And Skronk. And you forgot the V. at the end of my name. :wink:

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tmidgett wrote:"Juvenile idealism" is a good way of describing it, Brett. A lot of drunks hang onto it even after they quit drinking....

I think both HST and Bukowski did good things. But I'm not as sure of that as I might have been several years ago. It doesn't wear well for me. I have revisited it in recent years, and it doesn't read anywhere near the way it did when I was in my early 20s.


Both had a knack for narrative, even if they used that knack as a vehicle for navel-gazing and self-promotion. Like several other people on the PRF, I had a Bukowski phase in my late teens/early 20s, when I devoured just about everything he wrote. Although I outgrew it quickly, the fact that I and others read so much of it mean that, at the very least, the writing could never classified as turgid.

Burroughs-the-caricature gets old the same way Apocalypse Culture, most of the Re/Search stuff, and Answer Me! get old. All that shit seems pretty tame after you've seen the tallest buildings in New York City get knocked down with a bunch of people inside of them. Or a quarter million people get wiped out by a tsunami. Or an entire American city get submerged and destroyed. Etc.


Good points here.
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