I'm Johnny-come-lately to this thread, so apologies if I'm retreading at all. I haven't read everything.
Has anyone put forward the theory that the kid, left unattended, got up and left the room, was in unfamiliar surroundings, got confused, panicked, ran around, got lost. Why is it assumed that she was abducted?
At any rate, this resort sounds like a pedophile's heaven on earth. Get a job at resort where parents are encouraged to leave the kids alone, and make the sitting service optional! What. The. Fuck. I must be missing something. That can't be legal. I can't imagine taking on the liablility of allowing parents to leave their kids unattended, were it my resort.
I am in general very very slow to take a self-righteous stance with regards to other parents (though I was pretty darn quick on the draw before I had kids myself). I myself have engaged in all manner of jackassery and have fucked up wildly on more than one occasion in my struggles to not be a crappy dad. But leaving the kids unattended anywhere but inside my locked house is not something that would ever occur to me. What am I missing.
This whole Madeleine McCann thing...
232happyandbored wrote:Is it me or does this photo have the same sort of grainy quality to it as a photoshopped UFO picture?
My theory is that Madeline McCann fell through a wormhole and re-materialised as a Gibson Thunderbird. Mr. Simmo, ahem...
This whole Madeleine McCann thing...
233fedaykin13 wrote:I hate to be sucked in by all this, but this is kind of creepy
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/09/25/portugal.missing.girl.photo/index.html
I just saw that on Fox News, which is for some reason the only station they play at the deli below my work. They were talking about how the girl bears an uncanny resemblance to Madeleine McCann. They failed to mention that most blurry young blonde girls bear an uncanny resemblance to each other. They did talk about Ahmidinejad and Chavez building an alliance based on their hatred of America. Woohoo.
This whole Madeleine McCann thing...
234slincire wrote:They did talk about Ahmidinejad and Chavez building an alliance based on their hatred of America. Woohoo.
This whole Madeleine McCann thing...
237I know it's not exactly a reputable paper, but as well as in The Daily Star, the following has also been reported in The Sun, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express, etc (hang on a sec, these are all terrible papers! Oh well).
Suggesting that the thingamibob is tightening around the parents' necks.
A source close to the probe said the fresh DNA evidence showed the police were RIGHT to focus on the tot’s parents.
“The new material adds to the existing picture that has been built up and fills in a few more pieces of the jigsaw,’’ the source said.
“There is no reason to change the direction of the investigation.
“Everything that has emerged indicates that it is focusing where it should.’’
Suggesting that the thingamibob is tightening around the parents' necks.
Rick Reuben wrote:He went to bed about a decade ago, or whenever he sold his soul to the bankers and the elites.daniel robert chapman wrote:I think he's gone to bed, Rick.
This whole Madeleine McCann thing...
238The Times, Mirror, Sun and Express yesterday and the Mail today have carried stories saying that the Portuguese Police now believe that there were 4 other children sleeping in the McCann's apartment the night of the disappearance. So that makes 6 or 7 children in the apartment, depending on whether Madeleine is there or not. This raises a whole bunch of new and alarming questions, if it is found to be true.
If I remember rightly the Times referred to the previous detective, who has just stepped down, as 'sweaty and corpulent'.
From Times OnlineOctober 9, 2007
McCann children 'were not alone in apartment'
Kate and Gerry McCann say there are innocent explanations for all the evidence
Significant new evidence about the night Madeleine McCann disappeared has been uncovered, it was claimed, as one of Portugal’s most senior detectives took charge of the investigation.
Paulo Rebelo, an assistant national director of the Polícia Judiciária (PJ), took over responsibility for the case last night. He made his name in the investigation into Portugal’s most notorious paedophile ring.
His appointment was made amid reports in Portugal that detectives have evidence contradicting Kate and Gerry McCann's version of the events of the night that they reported their daughter missing.
Police believe that Madeleine and her twin brother and sister may not have been alone in the McCann holiday apartment, but that the children of seven British friends who were on holiday with the McCanns were also present when Madeleine disappeared on May 3, the 24 Horas newspaper claimed.
The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, have insisted that Madeleine was with only her two-year-old twin siblings, Sean and Amelie, while they dined with their friends at a tapas restaurant at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz. The group has claimed that their children were in their own apartments and that they made checks on their own children and those of their friends during the evening.
However, a source within the investigation was quoted by 24 Horas as saying: “It’s not only the collected evidence that points to the fact that there were more children inside that [the McCanns'] apartment.
“Evidence also exists, following the interrogations to the other people who that were at the Ocean Club, that only the McCanns’ apartment was visited by the people who attended the dinner.”
The children had visited each other’s apartments regularly in the six days that they had been at the Ocean Club. The newspaper does not explain how any forensic evidence could be pinpointed to the evening of Madeleine’s disappearance.
The newspaper also casts doubt on claims by one of the McCanns’ friends that he was looking after his unwell daughter when he was away from the restaurant on the evening Madeleine disappeared.
It says that Russell O’Brien, a hospital consultant from Exeter, left the restaurant at 9.35pm and returned at 10pm, just minutes before Mrs McCann discovered that Madeleine was missing. Mr O’Brien has strenuously denied any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and has never been a formal suspect in the investigation.
24 Horas reported: “The British man guaranteed he took that long because he visited his sick daughter, and she vomited. He says he asked for the sheets to be changed, but the staff at the Ocean Club assured the investigators that nobody asked for any bedsheets to be changed that evening.”
Mr O’Brien’s partner, Jane Tanner, told police that she had seen a man carrying a girl away from the McCanns’ apartment at 9.15pm. However, another witness has insisted that she was not in the area at that time.
A source within the PJ is quoted by 24 Horas as saying: “In face of so many contradictions and in face of the forensics results that we already hold, we have very few doubts that the girl died inside that apartment, and we only have doubts about who concealed the corpse.”
The report follows claims in the British media that although tests on samples discovered in the McCanns’ apartment and hire car do not prove that Madeleine is dead, they have strengthened the theory that her parents were involved in her disappearance.
A source at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which carried out the tests on behalf of the Portuguese authorities, is reported to have said that the results showed police were right to make the couple arguidos, or official suspects.
However, the McCanns’ British law firm, Kingsley Napley, has brought in its own forensic team to explain why the samples may be totally unconnected to Madeleine’s disappearance.
The couple insist that any DNA found in the Renault Scenic hired 25 days after Madeleine’s disappearance could have been transferred innocently from their daughter’s clothing when they moved to a new apartment.
Clarence Mitchell, the couple’s spokesman, said today: “Kate and Gerry have nothing to hide at all. They are perfectly happy to answer any of this, if it comes to it. There are wholly innocent explanations for anything the police may or may not have found."
Mr Mitchell said the couple were unable to grieve for Madeleine because they did not know yet what had happened to their daughter. “They need that knowledge whether Madeleine is alive or dead - let’s face it, she might be,” he said. “They need to know, before they can move on, before they can deal with that.
“In the absence of that hard information, they are doing what they can to, one, clear their names of these dreadful smears and, two, to actually get on with the job of finding her. That is the message we want to go to police in Portugal - ‘find Madeleine’.”
The couple hope that the appointment of a new head of the investigation will refocus the inquiry on finding their daughter. Mr Rebelo was appointed last night after the demotion of the previous lead investigator, Gonçalo Amaral, who had claimed that British police were being manipulated by Madeleine’s parents.
Mr Rebelo made his career at the Central Directory for the Investigation of Drug Trafficking before being appointed one of four associate directors of the PJ. He was head of the Criminal Investigation department in Lisbon when it uncovered a notorious paedophile ring. The “Casa Pia” ring had been abusing boys at state-run children’s homes for decades before being uncovered in 2002. Those alleged to have been involved included senior politicians, a former ambassador, celebrities and wealthy businessmen.
Mr Rebelo was described by colleagues as “highly regarded internally, he has done some excellent work for the PJ, he is nice and a good communicator”. He is close to the PJ’s national director, Alípio Ribeiro.
If I remember rightly the Times referred to the previous detective, who has just stepped down, as 'sweaty and corpulent'.
This whole Madeleine McCann thing...
239Don't suppose anyone saw Charlie Brooker last night?
Focused on the News and had a good section criticising the voyeuristic nature of the Mcann coverage. Also had a sort of guest section created by Adam Curtis which was good.
It's on again on Saturday if you missed. Don't think BBC has yet got with the programme and made their shows downloadable.
Focused on the News and had a good section criticising the voyeuristic nature of the Mcann coverage. Also had a sort of guest section created by Adam Curtis which was good.
It's on again on Saturday if you missed. Don't think BBC has yet got with the programme and made their shows downloadable.
This whole Madeleine McCann thing...
240Earwicker wrote:Don't suppose anyone saw Charlie Brooker last night?
Focused on the News and had a good section criticising the voyeuristic nature of the Mcann coverage. Also had a sort of guest section created by Adam Curtis which was good.
It's on again on Saturday if you missed. Don't think BBC has yet got with the programme and made their shows downloadable.
This guy seems to be on it with posting the latest episodes. not sure if last night's one is up yet, but i'm guessing it will be in a few days.