The biggest influence on the Germs were Bowie and Queen. And the Runaways.

But that was lost on on the people the Germs influenced. (80's US HC)
Most of them were imitating Black Flag and the Ramones. And the Damned.

I don't think post Punk was necessariy better or more original, just a progression. (Some people regressed. Oi, Two Tone.)


I'll say:

Ramones vs Sex Pistols UK
Go Go's vs Slits UK
Dead Boys vs The Damned UK
Middle Class vs The Exploited UK
Channel 3 vs Blitz UK
SSD vs The Clash UK
Siege vs Slaughter and the Dogs US
Christian Death vs Bauhaus UK
TSOL vs The Users US
Agent Orange vs John Cooper Clarke US
Adolescents vs Warsaw US
Dead Kennedy's vs Discharge UK
Big Boys vs A Certain Ratio Tie

krakabash wrote:Middle Class vs The Exploited UK

I'm sorry, this is wrong. Middle Class were a much better band than the Exploited. Have you listened to the Blueprint for Joy compilation?

Chapter Two wrote:US hardcore was the first time that bands decided to really be what they were saying they should be. Independent. Putting on their own gigs, releasing their own records, making networks. And being truly fucking ferocious. And then when ferocity became expected, doing something unexpected.

ummm...Crass?...british punk...70's...

there were a few comments about the narrowness of hardcore, which i agree for the most part...but the exceptions were staggering...especially Black Flag, pretty much the poster band for hardcore, yet their music went so far beyond its usual implications...

Government Issue FTW!

Brit punk is t3h ! gay faggAt music

krakabash wrote:Ramones vs Sex Pistols UK

I don't agree with this at all. Give me the heady sugar rush of the Ramones over The Pistols' snotty "look 'ow outrageous we are" act anyday.

It's interesting that despite their later-career records folks are more willing to call bands like Husker Du punk than they are bands like Joy Division. I'm going with 70's UK punk for at least laying the groundwork for bands like Wire, PiL, Gang Of Four and so on. But it's a close one!

Since this thread began, I have completely lost the ability to determine what is actually considered punk rock anymore. I just assumed that everybody else considered math rock to be more punk rock, but this may not be the case.

timpickens wrote:

krakabash wrote:Middle Class vs The Exploited UK

I'm sorry, this is wrong. Middle Class were a much better band than the Exploited. Have you listened to the Blueprint for Joy compilation?

The Exploited just fucking suck. A 3rd tier band if there ever was one. I admit to owning a few things by them, but they got tiresome really quick.The Middle Class (what I've heard anyway) were great.

Mark Hansen wrote:The Exploited just fucking suck.

no they don't!

BClark wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:The Exploited just fucking suck.

no they don't!

You gotta listen to Mark on this one.

Black Flag was more important to me than all the UK bands combined.