Band: WILCO
102Ty Webb wrote:He loves Wilco. Wilco bootlegs, Wilco posters, Wilco everything. I think of him as the consummate Wilco fan.
Wilco = music for pussies.
Hm!
The biggest Wilco fan I know is actually a bandmate of mine. He went to see Wilco in Winnipeg as a grad gift! He has so much Wilco stuff and loves so much of Wilco's music! He is a consummate Wilco fan.
Now, this bandmate of mine, he's in another local band. This band have been voted "best band in the city" by readers of the local alternative paper, who are essentially folks like me, have played at Pop Montreal, have been invited to NxNE (which he didn't play because his band doesn't really have the cash to go) and are releasing their next record nationally with distribution courtesy of Sonic Unyon. He himself has had two cover stories on said local alternative paper and been voted "best voice in the city" by readers of that magazine. He's only eighteen, to boot.
So uh, you go ahead associating Wilco with a guy who does stuff with his wife like tandem bicycling and shit, I'll keep on associating it with rad dudes.
Marsupialized wrote:You are shitting me
Band: WILCO
103EDIT: I just saw that run joe run has made my post redundant.
I'm not sure I really buy this "if the band was BETTER, people wouldn't TALK so much" bullshit. If a song is "soft" or kind of quiet, you're going to have assholes yakkin over it. I'm not sure it has much to do with the quality of the music being played. Most every time I've seen The New Year play one of their softer songs, I could barely hear it over the audience. And I'm sure most everyone here will agree that the Kadanes make "good" music. I've also seen Phil Elvrum nearly in tears because people were talking over his very, very dull set.
I'm not into this "I-paid-$15-so-I-get-to-act-like-a-fucking-cock-for-the-rest-of-the-evening" bullshit.
But for the record, watching Tweedy in that video makes me cringe.
I'm not sure I really buy this "if the band was BETTER, people wouldn't TALK so much" bullshit. If a song is "soft" or kind of quiet, you're going to have assholes yakkin over it. I'm not sure it has much to do with the quality of the music being played. Most every time I've seen The New Year play one of their softer songs, I could barely hear it over the audience. And I'm sure most everyone here will agree that the Kadanes make "good" music. I've also seen Phil Elvrum nearly in tears because people were talking over his very, very dull set.
I'm not into this "I-paid-$15-so-I-get-to-act-like-a-fucking-cock-for-the-rest-of-the-evening" bullshit.
But for the record, watching Tweedy in that video makes me cringe.
Band: WILCO
104Marsupialized wrote:Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:I don't have any feelings about Wilco one way or the other, really, which is to say that I haven't listened to them. But I firmly believe that if you play music and can't handle an adversarial audience, you oughta look for a new vocation. Maybe if so many crowds didn't bestow hushed reverence on artists by default more people would work harder and come up with better stuff.
amen.
why musicians think everything should be handed to them I have no idea, you gotta work motherfucker, win that crowd over!
Sage advice for anyone who is a circus clown, stand-up comic, stripper or Metallica cover band member. Less appropriate if you're Vashti Bunyan.
Incredible as it may seem, I want to hear Nina Nastasia play her songs, not be a performing seal. "Hushed reverence" doesn't come into it; I'm just listening to music which isn't being played at Ted Nugent levels.
If you're paying money to talk through a performance, you're a fuckwit as well as a bastard with no manners. Paying money does not absolve you of extending common courtesy to other people. If you think that it does you're dabbling in the kind of asshole logic that leads to justifying all kinds of nasty exploitative behaviour - the kind of behaviour that rich people get away with because they've paid for the privilege.
That said, Jeff Tweedy can go fuck a llama, and anyone at his show, talking or not, is in some kind of musical trouble.
Band: WILCO
105I don't know, I'd go and see Glenn Kotche and Nels Cline play the songs of Stryper as long as it wasn't a massive pain in the arse to get there and drinks were cheap. Very good musicians.
Wilco doesn't offend me at all. I just don't listen to them.
Wilco doesn't offend me at all. I just don't listen to them.
run joe run wrote:Kerble your enthusiasm.
Band: WILCO
106Wilco: A presentation of textbook songwriting with nods to avant-gardism. They are more "good for you" than good. (Chicagoans: XRT music.) As such, I have no interest in listening to them.
I've never understood what all the pants-creaming over Wilco was about. It's enough to make a boy run out and buy sensible shoes, which is not something one ought to be concerned with after Labor Day.
I've never understood what all the pants-creaming over Wilco was about. It's enough to make a boy run out and buy sensible shoes, which is not something one ought to be concerned with after Labor Day.
Band: WILCO
107Johnny C wrote:Ty Webb wrote:He loves Wilco. Wilco bootlegs, Wilco posters, Wilco everything. I think of him as the consummate Wilco fan.
Wilco = music for pussies.
Hm!
The biggest Wilco fan I know is actually a bandmate of mine. He went to see Wilco in Winnipeg as a grad gift! He has so much Wilco stuff and loves so much of Wilco's music! He is a consummate Wilco fan.
Now, this bandmate of mine, he's in another local band. This band have been voted "best band in the city" by readers of the local alternative paper, who are essentially folks like me, have played at Pop Montreal, have been invited to NxNE (which he didn't play because his band doesn't really have the cash to go) and are releasing their next record nationally with distribution courtesy of Sonic Unyon. He himself has had two cover stories on said local alternative paper and been voted "best voice in the city" by readers of that magazine. He's only eighteen, to boot.
So uh, you go ahead associating Wilco with a guy who does stuff with his wife like tandem bicycling and shit, I'll keep on associating it with rad dudes.
Johnny C, you're just confirming my suspicions. "Random Cool City's Alt Paper's Indie Voice of the Year" = Middle of the road indie pop 99% of the time
Not that your bandmate isn't a great musician and songwriter. I bet he is. I also bet he's making music I'd personally find just more effete blandness. This is just me and my tastes here.
You had me at Sex Traction Aunts Getting Vodka-Rogered On Glass Furniture
Band: WILCO
108Get dog costumes wrote:I just saw this band on the campus of UNC. I don't own any of their albums, but I just really wanted to hear "Spiders (Kidsmoke)." They played it, sure enough, but they watered it down! Wack. Instead of miles and miles of harsh, atonal figures that yielded this huge melodic riff, as on the studio album and the live album, Tweedy played pleasant melodic riffs with relatively little noise. And before the last riff-chorus, where he is meant to stab a dozen times at this one note until it collapses into the riff, he was silent during the buildup except for a one-note pickup leading into the chorus. Wilco, that was my favorite moment of your recorded output, and you phoned it in. Crap.
Glenn Kotche is the best guy in the band. The best part of going to a pop music performance can be seeing a drummer who is clearly a badass in spite of the pedestrian music he is playing. Trad grip all the way. Great, complex fills without being a showboat.
Jeff Tweedy was OK at music and good at friendliness. He's not a bad guitarist.
John Stirratt was disappointing; I thought he'd play out a bit more.
Mikael Jorgenson was reliable but uncreative on the piano.
Nels Cline was great whenever he played lead or lap steel, which was not often enough.
Pat Sansone was great on the keyboards and entertaining on the guitar.
They played two encores. It was the second night of a two-night stand and both were sellouts. The people loved the concert. I enjoyed 60% of the songs. The rest were boring. I'm glad I went (lucky last-minute free ticket) but I wouldn't have paid the $28.
I am sure they will take your advice, nice one, well done, etc.
Band: WILCO
109Ty Webb wrote:"Random Cool City's Alt Paper's Indie Voice of the Year" = Middle of the road indie pop 99% of the time
Not that your bandmate isn't a great musician and songwriter. I bet he is. I also bet he's making music I'd personally find just more effete blandness. This is just me and my tastes here.
Number one, I'm not sure if you're clear on where I live but it is not a Canadian hotspot. We are about cool enough to have one alternative paper, which puts us basically one rung above Helena, Montana.
Number two, if it's effete you're worried about, I'd probably offend your tastes more. He likes sports; I wear scarves.
Marsupialized wrote:You are shitting me
Band: WILCO
110So marsupialized says no??
I say not crap.
I saw Nels' very first public performance . Wilco at Otto's in DeKalb right after Jeff came out of rehab.
I have also seen Wilco before then and since then, as well as Jeff solo.
They have always been very tight live, and very good performers.
I say not crap.
I saw Nels' very first public performance . Wilco at Otto's in DeKalb right after Jeff came out of rehab.
I have also seen Wilco before then and since then, as well as Jeff solo.
They have always been very tight live, and very good performers.
"If you can't get 'yer rock & roll across in less than two minutes,
another five isn't going to make the difference"
- Lin Brehmer
another five isn't going to make the difference"
- Lin Brehmer