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16 by steve_Archive
Mark Hansen wrote:I still like the Germs "GI" a lot.

Yeah, great record. Not really hardcore. Hardcore was such a brittle, hidebound format that it took an exceptional band to be both recognizable as hardcore and also great. I wouldn't consider the Germs a hardcore band, but they were great.
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17 by the$inmusicisallmine_Archive
steve wrote: Hardcore was such a brittle, hidebound format that it took an exceptional band to be both recognizable as hardcore and also great.


Im not sure we actually disagree. I think, within the boundaries of HC, the records I listed above are exceptional. They are, indeed, the standard bearers of the standard HC bullshit. The genre is as bounded as bluegrass, I am aware of that.

I am not arguing that the Angry Sams or The FUs/Straw Dogs belong in the top 100 of great rock bands. They made some pretty dang fun genre records, tho.

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18 by Mark Hansen_Archive
steve wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:I still like the Germs "GI" a lot.

Yeah, great record. Not really hardcore. Hardcore was such a brittle, hidebound format that it took an exceptional band to be both recognizable as hardcore and also great. I wouldn't consider the Germs a hardcore band, but they were great.


Maybe not, but I think they were the jumping off point for a lot of hardcore bands.

I almost think of "GI" as the first hardcore record. Maybe it doesn't seem as hardcore because it arose from a band that started as a sloppy, inept mess, albeit a FUN sloppy inept mess. Coming from that beginning, the album was kind of a revelation.

It's lyrical content is also heads and tails above almost any other hardcore record. In some ways it was kind of juvenile, but I got the feeling that if Darby hadn't died, he could have written some astounding lyrics in the future. It wasn't dragged down by the requisite, rote political content of many hardcore bands.

I think they are a bridge point between traditional punk rock and its later, even faster, harder, offspring. But not the band The Offspring. They suck.
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